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  • #126856
    Tim Rowe
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      @timrowe83142

      Some time ago Eddie Lancaster gave Ray the plans and shadows for the Nimbus Mk 3 which is an International One Meter (IOM). Eddie made a couple of very successful boats.  Ray then sent the bits and bobs to me.  I already have a GRP IOM called Footloose but had always fancied building one so here we go.

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      Some many year ago I inherited a four poster bed.  The frame didn’t survive many moves but the canopy rails did and they are solid mahogany.  They have been in a store for more than 10 years but now I am really glad I kept them because Nimble is going to be planked with Mahogany and varnished (at least above the waterline).

      I already have a complete set of material for the rig (Sails ETC) and the mylar film to make the sails.  I am not sure whether I am going to make the fin and bulb.  They are eye-wateringly expensive to buy but I don’t have to make that decision for a while.

      I anticipate the planking will be a bit of a challenge!

      Tim R

       

      #126857
      Richard Simpson
      Moderator
        @richardsimpson88330

        Tim, Just a couple of shots you might find interesting.  This yacht was built by a chap who is very sadly no longer with us but he made some beautiful models.  This hull is mahogany planked with planks that were also home made from a solid chunk of mahogany.

        The fin and bulb were also home made, he cast the bulb himself from a plaster mould made from a wooden plug, which was generated from a set of cardboard slices.  The fin is tapered at the top and simply sits in a matching socket in the model, held in place by a single screw.  If you need further detail pictures of any part of the bulb and fin let me know.

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        22-07-13-07LeadKeelPatternPlan2

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        #126861
        Tim Rowe
        Participant
          @timrowe83142

          Thanks for the photos Richard.  You posted them before and they were my inspiration for this build.

          I have made keels for Galileo,  Wild Duck and Eventide but the IOM needs one that is really long and skinny for best performance.  Unless they are hardened with Antimony they bend to easily so I am tempted to buy one from SailsEtc.

          Their bulb is £70 but their carbon fin is around £240!! so I will probably make the fin (in carbon) and I have an idea for that.  The rudder is not too critical.

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          This was Galileo’s keel arrangement and pattern for the bulb but is it not heavy enough for the IOM.

          Fortunately I have plenty of time to think about it and save up if necessary!

          Tim R

          #126863
          Ray Wood 3
          Participant
            @raywood3

            Hi Tim,

            My way round the church roof solution is the buy stock DF65 & 95 fins and bulbs now, I have an idea fermenting of a IOM Fireball ultra lightweight construction with the DF95 keel & bulb, there is a 36″ design in the plans range Plain Jane SARIK which could be the basis for the hull shape 🙂 I have owned a couple of ful lsize Fireballs over the years, they get up and plane easily . I hope Eddy looks in on your build 🙂

            Regards Ray

            #126864
            Richard Simpson
            Moderator
              @richardsimpson88330

              Sorry Tim, I never remember what I’ve posted where nowadays!

              #126868
              Tim Rowe
              Participant
                @timrowe83142

                Not to worry Richard. It was a long time ago and I appreciate your advice.

                Ray
                The DF 95 bulb weight is less than half what I need for the IOM.  I have just seen on Frank Parsons catalogue that he has some IOM bulbs for £38 which is getting better but he is not listing fins, only rudders.

                For the time being I have around 60 planks to fit and being a varnished hull they will need to be precisely fitted.

                Tim R

                #126869
                Chris Fellows
                Participant
                  @chrisfellows72943

                  Looking forward to another masterclass in model boat building Tim.

                  Chris

                  #126873
                  Tim Rowe
                  Participant
                    @timrowe83142

                    Thank you Chris

                    P1020587

                    Here are the shadows set out on the building board.  In full size we would call them moulds.

                    They are only 4mm thick so actually quite flimsy.  If they were to move out of position at any moment, the true hull form would be lost and the boat would be out of fair.  If they twisted, the boat would be a different shape from one side to the other.  This is the reason I have fitted plywood spacers which are accurately cut to conform to the spacing.  The shadows are now very stiff and the spacers ensure that all of them are exactly 90 degrees to the base board.

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                    There is no shadow at the bow and the piece in the picture is the actual stem.  It is mahogany and comes from a drawer from an old dressing table mirror that used to belong to my grand parents.  Beautifully aged and seasoned!

                    This is the first modification I did by making the stem a fraction wider and a fraction deeper.  The stem has been made deeper and with a flat at the bottom instead of coming to a point.  It is impossible to plank on a point that acute!

                    The reason I want to make the stem deeper was to get it down on the waterline.  The plan shows the waterline a bit back from the stem and so some of the waterline length was lost.  Maximum theoretical speed is related to the waterline length and the more the better.
                    The other reason is that IOMs tend to submarine when going downwind in a blow so lowering the stem meant adding some material to shadow 9 and you can see that I have wrapped a thin piece of balsa to make up the difference.

                    The square balsa attached to the base of the stem locate the height of the inwhale where it meets to stem.  The location of the inwhale is therefore jigged and will ensure we arrive at the same height on each side and I don’t have to fiddle around when the inwhale is glued up.

                    To follow

                    Tim R

                     

                     

                    #126878
                    Tim Rowe
                    Participant
                      @timrowe83142

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                      Here is the transom made from two 2mm sheets of mahogany sheet that was once part of a Billing kit.  This was something I bought on Ebay but got stuffed because it was only part complete. The wood is useful though.
                      The grain runs horizontally on the outside of the transom and vertically on the inside to make sort of plywood that won’t distort.  The two plies were epoxied together (the whole boat will be epoxy glued an sealed).

                      I haven’t cut the holes yet because I am not sure if I want them.  The shape of the transom was copied from the plan and stuck to the inside face to give me a reference for chamfering the edge to take the planks.  The top corner were torn off because the aft ends of the inwhales have to be glued to the transom.

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                      The centre shadows came to a very slight point that would have give a shallow V to the hull.  This would have been possible to plank with one plank each side of the V.  This however would have given me problems at the bow so I round the shadows of and re-checked them for fairness.  The other consideration is that I have added a bit of buoyancy at the bow so taking a bit off elsewhere should keep the overall buoyancy the same on the design waterline.  To compensate I may have to move the centre of gravity of the bulb further forward to maintain the correct trim.

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                      I got fed up with having power cables crossing over the work area so I made a shelf to hold a 3 gang socket on a trailing lead. This has made a huge difference.

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                      This is the glue I am using in the 60 minute and 20 minute varieties.

                      To follow

                      Tim R

                       

                       

                      #126879
                      Richard Simpson
                      Moderator
                        @richardsimpson88330

                        Tim, fully agree regarding the cables.  I consider myself to be very lucky in so far as I was in a position to be able to design and have my workshop built from scratch.  Consequently I had a floor socket fitted in the area where I knew I was going to have my island workbench located.  Anything I need power from on the island comes from the floor so no loose wires anywhere.  I have a real pet peeve with loose cables!

                        #126886
                        Tim Rowe
                        Participant
                          @timrowe83142

                          Richard.  That was a good plan!

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                          This was the check that the shadows were perfectly fair using a batten.

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                          The batten was also used to check the bevel on the transom.  This is important because the plank ends will correctly show around the edge of the transom and it would be a shame to have a gap.  A cheat would be to veneer the transom when the planking is finished but that would leave end grain on the topsides which would be a bit ugly.  Not important at all if the hull was going to be painted.
                          It is not quite so critical at the bow because eventually there will be a silicone bumper but it is still good to get a correct bevel to increase the gluing area.

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                          The inwhale is now glued in place but only attached to the stem and the transom.  The inwhale dos not overlap either so I made a balsa jig to locate the outside edge of the inwhale with the edge of the stem.  This means  that when I apply the glue I know the pieces will go into a predetermined position.

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                          Narrow PVC tape has been used to prevent the planks from sticking to the shadows, otherwise they would become bulkheads!

                          I used a series of shores to wedge the inwhale into the correct position in the notches of the shadows. The cross pieces made from scrap balsa are to act like jigs so that when I apply the first plank it will register at the same height as the top of the inwhale.  Again, takes the panic away when the epoxy is mixed.  It is quite warm in my workshop and the twenty minute of  the 20 Minute Epoxy goes like a flash.

                          This stage brings the boat ready to start planking.

                          To follow

                          Tim R
                           

                           

                           

                          #126887
                          Tim Rowe
                          Participant
                            @timrowe83142

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                            Here is a better photo of the mahogany planks stripped from the 4-poster pelmet rail.  A few years ago and with model yacht building in mind, I purchased a Proxxon FET table saw.  This has carbide teeth on the blade which lasts a long time and makes a very clean cut.  The planks are 3mm thick and I have two widths (8mm and 5mm).  The general idea is that the 8mm wide planks are used where the cross sections are quite straight in the topsides and the narrow planks are used where the curves are much tighter.  There is a particularly tight curve at the transom.  There are over 60 planks in total for the hull.  I have not thought about the deck yet but at the most it may have some mahogany trim.

                            3mm is far too thick for the finished thickness and would be unnecessarily heavy.  I aim to arrive at a nominal 2mm so there is quite a reasonable finish sanding allowance.

                            Some while ago Richard marvelled at the compound curves that can be achieved with straight pieces of wood.  Taking the outside surface I will be building a hull that effectively has around 30 chines on each side.  This means that each plank (chine) is making an average change of angle of around 3 degrees so as to be hardly noticeable.  The resulting shallow ridges are easily sanded off (planed on the full sized) to finish the compound curves of the surface.

                            There are other important factors that I shall come on to.

                            To follow

                            Tim R

                            #126890
                            Ray Wood 3
                            Participant
                              @raywood3

                              Hi Tim,

                              Good to see the Nimbus progressing 🙂 this months MB’s is in the post on it’s way to you lets see how long it takes to arrive 🙂 probably going to Ludham on the Norfolk Broads next week to measure one of Percy Hunter’s fleet of sailing cruisers a hire fleet as they are all out of the water for the winter maintenance in their boat shed, I thought it’s important design to draw and make a model of 🙂

                              All the best from a freezing cold UK

                              Ray

                              #126900
                              Tim Rowe
                              Participant
                                @timrowe83142

                                Hello Ray.  It seems like you may have to convert some of your boats into ice yachts!  Here in Mallorca the temperatures have plummeted to around 13 degrees. There has been some snow in the mountains above 500m.

                                Planking Nimble is a very slow job but I have been able to make a couple of folding stands as a diversion.

                                Looking forward to seeing your pictures from Ludham.

                                Tim R

                                #126924
                                Tim Rowe
                                Participant
                                  @timrowe83142

                                  The hull form is starting to take shape

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                                  Various clamps and hair accessories in combination to hold the planks in place while the epoxy sets.

                                   

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                                  The first few planks are parallel and follow the line of the sheer.  After this, every single plank will be shaped and I will explain why.

                                  Tim R

                                   

                                  #126959
                                  Tim Rowe
                                  Participant
                                    @timrowe83142

                                    Nimble’s hull will be varnished mahogany, for the topsides at least.  This means that filler of any kind is out of the question and every plank has to fit against its neighbour without gaps.  This is quite easy for the first few planks of the topsides but gets increasingly difficult when starting to plank curves and especially difficult when getting to tight curves and concave shapes.  Fortunately on all the IOM’s that I know of, there are no concave areas.
                                    The other consideration is that as the beam increases towards midships, the girth increases which means that you don’t need as much material to get from the keel to the deck edge at the bow and the stern.

                                    There are two features necessary when planking a curved surface of a hull;
                                    1.   The edges of the planks need to be bevelled
                                    2    The individual planks need to be tapered.

                                    In the first instance the tighter the curve the bevel angle needs to be larger.  In modelling situations when the curve is gentle you can get away with bevelling one edge of the plank only.  When the curve get tighter you will need to bevel both edges. If the curved is really tight you may have to hollow out the inside of the plank (or use narrower planks which has some disadvantages).
                                    If you imagine two planks with square edges, side by side on a convex surface there will be a gap on the outside.  This will either be an ugly, wide glue joint or it will require filling.  Even worse on a concave surface because the planks will touch on the outside and you will have a gap on the inside.  When you start sanding to fair everything up, the gap will get wider!  The other advantage of having the correct bevel is that you have continuous contact along the glue line that makes a much stronger joint.   In a perfect joint, the seam will be normal ie 90 degrees to the surface which in most cases will be a frame.

                                    In the second instance tapering every plank helps get around the difficulty of the differences in girth.  Often this is not 100% possible in which case plank inserts need to be fitted called stealers.  It is aways good to keep the number of stealer required to a minimum and to take a full sized fishing boat which are quite tubby, there may only be two stealers each side, normally at the stern.  In a model and where using fairly narrow planks you only need to put the taper on one edge.  If you use parallel planks, after a while you cannot bend the edge of the plank sufficiently to meet its neighbour and it will run off leaving a gap that has to be filled later.
                                    I  think Richard and Colin will appreciate this next description.  If you imagine the vessel as a globe, each plank should try to follow the Great Circle Route as closely as possible and you do this by tapering.
                                    Where there is a greater change of section, the steeper the taper needs to be.

                                    The easiest way to visualise all this is to look at how a barrel is made.

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                                    The taper creates the barrel shape  because the top and bottom of a barrel are quite straight, the taper in these sections is also straight.  In the middle section where the barrel curves, so too does the taper.

                                    The bevelled edged mean that there are no gaps which is obviously critical or there would be a grave shortage of whisky and wine!  When you look directly from the top to the bottom the seams will appear straight.  This is because they are following the Great Circle Route.

                                    In reality Cooper have an easy job because each stave is the same.  On a boat there are no planks that are the same. not even between port and starboard because they are mirrored.

                                    This is the theory so I will try to show how I deal with these things in practice as I go along with the build.

                                    Tim R

                                     

                                    #126961
                                    Ray Wood 3
                                    Participant
                                      @raywood3

                                      Hi Tim,

                                      It’s not easy for sure, I had contemplated a mahogany planked hull at some stage as I have a plank which could be ripped down into planks, maybe look at the way Cedar kayaks are planked with strips which are concave and convex ? the stealers are near the keel 🙂

                                      Regards  Ray

                                      #126962
                                      Colin Bishop
                                      Moderator
                                        @colinbishop34627

                                        Tim,

                                        I must confess that the planking on my Greek fishing vessel and my current Silver Mist build falls far short of  the miniature joinery you illustrate. I usesd 3mm thick boxwood and didn’t chamfer the planks. Generally they butted up OK without significant gaps but my hulls were to be painted and filler would be used as a matter of course.

                                        I started with parallel planks along both the keel and gunwhale and then when they started  to ‘run off’ I just allowed them to take the ‘Great Circle Route’ they were happy with and inserted stealers afterwards. Quick and dirty really but certainly quick and it did the job in the circumstances.

                                        I do admire people who actually do the job properly and where you can admire the delicate craftwork though.

                                        Colin

                                        #126965
                                        Tim Rowe
                                        Participant
                                          @timrowe83142

                                          Hello Ray and Colin

                                          I shall be paint below the waterline and I can already see that I will need quite a few stealers. I won’t be too proud about using fillers below the waterline.

                                          Once you get into the swing of tapering and bevelling it doesn’t take too long.  I am using 60 minute epoxy because the 20 minute version was just a bit tight.   I can easily prepare another pair of planks in the time it takes for the glue to cure.  Limiting factor is usually that something else needs doing like work!  Nimbus is very tricky to plank around the transom which has a very tight curve.

                                          I taper the planks in pairs using a Davis plane first and then smoothing off and bevelling with 60 grit on a sanding block.   In between planks and to chance the routine I have started sanding the outside of the hull.

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                                          I use a cheap brush to apply the epoxy along the edge of the plank.  Each mix is only around 0.80 grams so an accurate scale is required.

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                                          Here is my tip for keeping the brush usable in between mixes.  Two Greek yoghurt pots with cross-cut slits in the top one.  This grips the brush suspended in alcohol and the top slides down to stop the alcohol from evaporating.  Works a treat.

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                                          This is roughly how much I plane off each plank to get the taper.  Once the hull built and is fully sanded I estimate that around 30% of the original wood will be shavings or dust.  A bit wasteful compared with the quick method but I am only going to do this once!

                                          To follow

                                          Tim R

                                           

                                           

                                          #126966
                                          Richard Simpson
                                          Moderator
                                            @richardsimpson88330

                                            Lovely job Tim, interesting to follow the progress.

                                            #126974
                                            Tim Rowe
                                            Participant
                                              @timrowe83142

                                              About 50% of the planking done now and just reached the tricky bit where the curve is very tight at the transom.  In this area the rate of change is very large so another element of the plank geometry has to be introduced which is twist. I am hoping to get away without having to resort to steaming the planks and just use gentle persuasion.  The planks here have so much taper that they are thicker than they are wide.

                                              Another tricky bit at the bottom of the stem where the is almost a chine.

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                                              Here I have introduced a knee which is not on the plan and not necessary for strength.  I will have to do some fairly aggressive sanding here so if I do go through (or nearly through the planking) I will have this as a mahogany backing piece.  It also give me a bit more gluing area at this high twist zone.

                                              Can’t wait to get the planking done but it cannot be rushed however tempting.

                                              To follow

                                              Tim R

                                               

                                               

                                              #127031
                                              Tim Rowe
                                              Participant
                                                @timrowe83142

                                                Just to show that I haven’t been completely idle

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                                                I was short for folding stands for use down by the harbour so with the remaining mahogany I have made up three simple scissor stands.

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                                                For the webbing I used dog leads.  We have six leads but only two small dogs.  They are not too wide which was perfect for the frames.

                                                Tim R

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                #127034
                                                Ray Wood 3
                                                Participant
                                                  @raywood3

                                                  Hi Tim,

                                                  I didn’t know you had two dogs has Aubrey got company now ?

                                                  I have been asked by our editor to finish off the Lady Luck design and article for the first week in January so I’m at Action Stations 🙂 well I didn’t want to be bored over the Christmas break anyway !!

                                                  I made some flags this morning for the launch, just need a good day for the on the water photo’s

                                                  Nice stands btw

                                                  Best   RayDSCF3054

                                                  #127062
                                                  Tim Rowe
                                                  Participant
                                                    @timrowe83142

                                                    Hello Ray

                                                    Very elegant Slipper.  Have I missed anything? Has it been out on the water yet?

                                                    Planking coming on slowly with Nimble.

                                                    The transom has a very tight bend where it transitions from nearly vertical to horizontal.  It is one thing to tape the planks to get around the curve but there is also a very fierce twist.  In Balsa or Bass this would be a doddle but getting the twist into the mahogany is a real exercise in improvisation!

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                                                    The end of each plank is left a bit long and a piece of scrap plywood drilled and epoxied just clear of the transom.  This can then work like a spanner to keep the twist in place while the epoxy sets in the seam and the edge of the transom.  The “spanner” was wedged in place with a scrap piece of balsa and and all held in place with some elastic.

                                                    The plank on the left is waiting for the treatment and has been glued up to the last frame.  This gives me something to twist against because doing the plank all in one go would be next to impossible.  To get the glue right up close to the last frame, I applied epoxy to both sides of a strip of paper and slid this up as far as it would go.

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                                                    Some more brute force to keep the joint nice and tight.

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                                                    Plenty of elastic gives a good clamping force and doesn’t bruise the edges of the planks.

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                                                    Here you can see the very narrow planks.  All will be revealed when the sanding is started and only then will I know if I have managed to keep the seams tight.  Fingers crossed.

                                                    Tim R

                                                    #127063
                                                    Ray Wood 3
                                                    Participant
                                                      @raywood3

                                                      Hi Tim,

                                                      Your well below the waterline now So I’d be tempted to cheat a little 🙂

                                                      Your right the Slipper launch has only been in the bath so far, cutting it fine for a decent sunny day for the photo’s !!

                                                      It’s been really cold for the last few days, and supposed to be IOM racing today, but thought better of it 🙂

                                                      40″ span Wot 4 has kept me busy for a few days.

                                                      Regards  Ray

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