Siadwell

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Hi Mattias, thanks for the info and the kind comments, I will have a go at clinker planking again but when my skill set improves, the tender build is coming along nicely……..but every plank needs to be shaped individually due to the hull shape.

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Tender ready for gloss now

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Some advise please, do I use white gloss, satin wood or something else on Siadwell and the tenders hull?

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Ralph

I think you need a few bilge keels and a stiffening strips round the top edges

Just for appearance?

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Ralph

The boats from that period tended to have bright white gloss with a deep shine.

Paul

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Hi Gents,

Thanks for coming to the rescue Paul, that is what it will be then, one thing I'm pleased about is that you can still see a vague shadow of the planks through the paint on the sides.

Hi Bob,

would a rowing boat have bilge keels?

the stiffening strips will be stained mahogony and will be attached after the painting is finished cos I'm not very good with paint,

thanks; Ralph.

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hi Ralph

Seeing the outline of the planks through the paint adds a little authenticity to the build and looks so much better than a perfectly smooth grp type hull.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Ralph

If you can pick out the plank lines, it may be worth while exaggerating them?

And adding a hint of muck!

Bob

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Starting to come together,

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Still more help needed, given that the rowing boat is 12/1 = 14" how long should the oar's be ?

[BanjomanParticipant @banjoman]

Hello Ralph,

As you may have noticed over in my Eilean Mòr thread (**LINK**), I am currently fitting our her dinghy with oars, so I was asking myself exactly the same question a couple of weeks ago, and tdid some research to try and come up with an answer …

At 1:12, a 14" boat does of course correspond to 14' at full scale and my dinghy, too, at 7" and 1:24 scale also represents a classic 14' dinghy/jolly boat/tender type of rowing boat.

Some googling of full scale practice seemed to indicate that 7' oars are very common in smaller rowing boats, although 8' or 9' are not unheard of either.

Harold A. Underhill, on his plan #789 of two clinker built life boats (one double-ended, the other transom sterned), states that "no oar, mast spar or fitting must exceed 2/3 the length of the boat", which at 14' would put the upper limit at 9'4".

The white metal oars that came with my kit were 3.5", i.e. represent 7' oars. However, in the end I decided to go one step up, and make 4" = 8' oars for my dinghy, as I thought that 7' oars looked just a tad stubby for my taste.

Hope this is of some help

/Mattias

 

 

Edited By Banjoman on 06/08/2015 20:53:59

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Ralph……Have you got room for a 14" jolly boat?

My model could only accommodate a 9" dinghy?

Bob

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Hi Mattias,

thanks for that information, if you don't mind I will be following you example and making 8' oars, if they turn out 1/2 as well as yours I will be more than happy.

Hi Bob,

thanks for your concern and the proper name for the rowing boat but I think that it will be OK, Siadwell is 16 1/2" wide at the stern and the Jolly is 14" long, The Jolly will be slung out of the rear on ? like the arms that hold a life boat on a liner, the Bluebird of Chelsea has this setup and the Jolly on her looks to be as long as the Bluebird is wide

If it is too big it will make a nice little sail boat lol and I will make a smaller one. all gives me more practice.

Ralph.

[BanjomanParticipant @banjoman]

Hello Ralph,

No worries – why on earth should I mind; I don't exactly have dibs on 8' oars for a 14' rowing boat (or any other length for anything else for that matter), do I now …

Enjoy the oarmaking

/Mattias

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Hi all, knocked these up this morning for the jolly

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Nice paddles Ralph

They look like Ivory?………What wood have you used?

Just got back from a few days on Anglesey

It was nice at Beaumaris and Holyhead, but left Benllech in howling wind and rain, this morning!

Bob

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Hi Bob,

Hope you had a good time in welsh wales, the wood is common or garden B&Q 12mm dowl, it has very tight grain so machines well.

Had a rowlocking good time this morning, have a look at these! made from some scrap brass I had about.

Edited By Ralph Pinch on 09/08/2015 19:30:09

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

The Jolly is still white, its the colour rendition of the tablet at fault.

Edited By Ralph Pinch on 09/08/2015 19:32:17

[Amy jane SeptemberParticipant @amyjaneseptember49770]

Hi Ralph,

Those rowlocks look great!

Drill, saw and file?

(I make jewellery from solid metals this way, so your rowlocks really appeal to me! Should make a pair as earrings….)

Aj

[BanjomanParticipant @banjoman]

Hello Ralph,

I say – what a jolly pair of jolly boat oars! Not to mention those rowlocks – they really look the thing, and I am duly and truly impressed by your skill in shapeing them out of scrap brass!

/Mattias

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Hi Amy Jane,

Thank you for your comments, yes turned a goblet shape out of an old piece of brass round bar, drilled out the center and cut out the sides with a junior hacksaw, then used needle files to get the shape right.

Glad you liked them.

Ralph

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Good day Mattias,

Yes the Jolly old things turned out quite nice what!! lol.

Turn out 4 blanks from 12mm dowel then gave them a spoon shape with the linisher.

The rowlocks took a bit of time but they exceeded my expectation and look good on the jolly,

Thank you for you kind comments, here's the blanks before shaping.

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Foredeck made from 3mm ply cut to size with 3 deg curve via bracing, fake planking was scribed then multi coats of clear varnish applied.

Edited By Ralph Pinch on 16/08/2015 08:41:17

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Looking nice, Ralph

How did you actually scribe the lines?………..Must have been a tricky job, with diminishing radii etc !

Bob

[Ralph PinchParticipant @ralphpinch41762]

Hi Bob,

Not as bad as you would think,

1. Make former the same shape as the hull edge.

2. Using the former, mark out the planking on the deck with a soft pencil (lightly)

3. Go over the pencil lines with an engineers scribe (maintain the same pressure)

4. Sand out the pencil lines.

5. Varnish the deck, the varnish enters the scribed line and darkens the line more than the deck surface.

 

 

Edited By Ralph Pinch on 16/08/2015 11:12:41

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