Sails and ropes

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Found this interesting page which may be of interest to the Scale Sail fans

i'm amazed at the confusing array of ropes and nautical terms etc

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Hi Bob. Yes, confusing….

You would have to make a huge sail to include that much detail on a model!

Ashley

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Bob,

Good morning for the forum! Blowing a hooley down here in Kent, and they haven't given it a name 😀 looks like Victory took a lot of hits, interesting that a record of the damage to the sail was kept.

Regards Ray

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Very sorry chaps, I've posted the wrong sail picture!

I did say it was confusing, having a Senior Moment with the system

Please be patient, me 'arties

Bob

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Ray. Yes a lot of hits (or moths?) but shows the damage resilience of a big sail. The whole suit of sails could take that sort of damage and still provide propulsion, assuming the masts weren’t hit!

Ashley

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Sorry chaps, now think the IPad can't handle the challenge?

Will try a new tack

Bob

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi all,

The old period sailing ships have always been the final frontier for me to build, maybe when I can afford to stop working, I have the Underhill drawings for a 74 gun ship of the line, which I will build eventually the woodwork is complex to do proper scale job 😯

Regards Ray

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Sorted……

How`s this Ray and Ash?

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Crickey, maybe I'll stay with motor boats !! That's a lot of string 😀

Regards Ray

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Yeah, just as confusing!

I have sailed on a square rigger and it is not quite as difficult as it seems. All the belaying stations are the same (layout) and some of the ropes are made from different stuff for different uses, plus you don’t need to know all the terms of the sails when sailing.

That is the sort of picture everyone needs to keep for reference. Certainly I had to do some research for the London even though it is much simplified.

Ashley

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Ray, the actual sail from Victory has been preserved at Portsmouth. It was on display for a while during the events to mark the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar.

Colin

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Here is the actual sail on display at Portsmouth

Morbidly fascinating?

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Cannon ball damage discovered in the Hull planking

Fascinating or what?

Bob

[BanjomanParticipant @banjoman]

Bob,

On YouTube, there's is a short video where the Vasa Museum (and others, I think) are test firing a full size replica of one of the Vasa's guns against a target which is also a full size solid oak replica of a wooden man o'war's sides. I believe the tests were carried out at the Bofors test firing range …

Anyway, here's the link: **LINK**

There are more video clips from the same occasion available, although mainly in Swedish. Still, the images speak very much for themselves!

Mattias

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you, Banjo…..And a Happy New Year

Are you building anything at the moment?

Bob

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

An impressive video. You can only shudder at the effect those splinters would have had on the ship's crew.

A few RN ships were built of teak in India and the crews apparently hated them because a teak splinter wound almost always turned septic

Colin

Edited By Colin Bishop on 26/02/2020 12:38:29

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

An excellent demonstration of fire power!

The Oak looked very brittle and offered no protection to the gun crews

The shot would probably gone through both sides of the ship………As clean as a whistle

On Victory`s first pass through the Enemy fleet, she gave a full broadsides on both sides and raked the enemy ships end on!

Must have been a dreadful sight

Can`t really understand the purpose of the sea battles at the period……..

Why shoot the sails? etc

Why shoot the hulls? etc

It must have been chaotic…….Drifting about. unable to steer etc

I wonder if they bounced the shot off the sea?

Bob

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

The shots at the sails were attempts to bring the masts down and the shots into the hull were to disable the guns, those battles were for sea supremacy and control of commerce, much the same as recent wars and flag waving really.

Regards

Roger

[BanjomanParticipant @banjoman]

A very Happy New Year to you, too, Bob

Well, yes, I am currently building summat, but not anything at all boat or ship shaped, I'm afraid, as right now I'm busy making a small table to use as a sharpening station in my workshop, based around two old offcuts of Corian that I saved from a kitchen renovation some 15 or so years ago; they will of course make up the top and shelf, being nice, smooth, flat, water proof and very easy to wipe clean.

This is my sketch for the project (all measurements in mm):

 

Apart from giving me a dedicated sharpening station (which is handy, as it can go next to the workshop sink, and have the most frequently used stones permanently set out and ready), the project is also a test of my own mettle against American hard maple as a timber, as that is what I'd like to use for an upcoming work bench build; I thus started this particular job by ripping and cross cutting a couple of raw planks of 8/4 and 6/4 hard maple …

… to break the stock down to rough size …

… before hand planing it smooth, to thickness …

… to width and foursquare.

Right now I'm chopping out the mortises in the legs …

… after which it'll be time to saw the tenons on the rails.

As I just said, this is, as it were, a warm-up and training project for what I plan to do next, which is to build a 7' x 24" x 4" work bench; I have already bought all the hardware, and sometime in March or April I plan to travel up to Arnhem in the Netherlands, where there is a first class timber yard, and buy the timber I'll need for that.

However, given that I will then want to give that timber a fair amount of time to acclimatise to my workshop, my thinking right now is that once the timber had been laid in, it would not be a bad moment to finally get on to the Fairey Huntsman that is next on my model boat build list … We'll see about that, but if I do, I'll be sure to post about it here

Edited By Banjoman on 26/02/2020 20:14:01

Edited By Banjoman on 26/02/2020 20:14:24

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Well, you`ve certainly got your hands full this time Banjo!

I like you`re workshop, neat and tidy as I would expect from your goodself

Keep in touch

Bob

[Chris FellowsParticipant @chrisfellows72943]

Banjo – yes, lovely workshop, and good to see something being built from some nice timber and using hand tools.

Looking forward to your Huntsman build.

Chris

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

HMS Victory in Portsmouth?

Note the lack of shear

Bob

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Bob,

She definitely did have some shear, as per the drawing from The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships by Nepean Longridge,

When she was a training ship, I imagine they put a flat roof over her decks hence the look in the photo, interestingly the gun ports on all decks are level with the waterline.

Regards Ray

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you Ray

There were two HMS Victory`s

An earlier one and the present ship on display at Portsmouth

In fact, the earlier Victory has only just been found in the last few years. A few cannon have been raised, but funds are not available for a Mary Rose type of preservation

Now then…..Did the present ship have shear?

Back shortly

Bob

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