Minesweepers

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Can anybody help please?

I`m looking for clear pictures of the equipment carried onboard minesweepers in WW2…….winches etc

The info will be used on current model build of Jeanie Deans in wartime…..as no pictures seem to be available of the real thing

Thank you……………Bob Abell

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

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[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thanks Paul……………..I knew you would come up with the goods……..

…….only snag is……….the sites won`t open?????

But I will try the main title…………..here goes….

Sweep

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Paul

Had a look at the Castlemaine ship and beginning to think that JD wasn`t a minesweeper afterall…………just an armed patrol boat………………can`t see any of the cranes that would be required…as showing on the Castlemaine pictures

Will just have to give the matter some thought……………plenty of time…….zzzzzzzz

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hi Bob

The historic record has JD serving as under varied guises including troopship and minesweeper so the photo might not be of when she was fitted for minesweeping.

Did you know that she took part in the Dunkirk evacuation.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thanks for the info…Paul

I`ll probably take the easy route……………an armed vessel and a few of soldiers?…….and a few drum mines at the stern…………..as photo shows

Bob

[Davie TaitParticipant @davietait54816]

http://website.lineone.net/~tom_lee/jeanie%20navy.htm

For winches I would think the standard WW2 era trawler steam winch would have been used along with towing posts right aft.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you Davie

I have these two pictures already…………….I need info on the control tower etc…………I may end up simply copying various parts of a destroyer

Thank you……………..Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Here are a few photos for you Bob of WW2 minesweepers including another side wheeler.

Royal visit to a mine sweeper in Liverpool

But which ship is it???????

Gun on the deck of a minesweeper

Another minesweeper note the davits on the stern these seem to be standard on HMS minesweepers.

Another minesweeper showing the rear deck and equipment.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Paul

Thanks a lot for the pictures

The paddler number J103……………..could it be Jeanie Deans?……..I notice the extra plating near the paddle boxes too!

On the early pictures of JD………….the number was read as J108……………and a 3 looks like an 8 sometimes?

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Sorry Bob but its not JD it is HMS Scawfell

Glad you like the photos

Paul

[Guido SambucettiParticipant @guidosambucetti90794]

Hi Bob,

Tricky subject you chose! The steam minesweeping winches installed in "regular" sweepers were very bulky and heavy, I don`t thing they could be refitted on the deck of a passenger ferry. However, John Lambert sells a set of drawings for these, you may wish to try his web site.

Motor gun boats used much smaller winches, which I suppose must have been electrically driven, but seem to be too small for such a big ship.

 I agree with Davie in that probably a trawler winch would have been the best choice. For a picture of one, check the article on HMS SIR LANCELOT, right here at Model Boats, picture 6.

 Hope this helps.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Guido

Thanks for the info………….you`ve given me some food for thought there……………on the photo of  "JD at war"  the rear structure is very hard to make out………….but now I realise that the structure has some winches on top!…………..but can`t see any cranes though?

Also….can`t find the photo of Sir Lancelot, you are referring to………….but I have I`ve seen the Mountfleet model of same.

Bob

[Guido SambucettiParticipant @guidosambucetti90794]

Hi Bob,

 For the article on Sir Lancelot just type the name in the "featured build" case on Model Boats´s home page. Once you open the article scroll down to the second picture. Under it you will see a list of pics that will open in the same place, you just need to place the cursor (no click) on the pic number you wish to look at. It´s a picture of the bridge, actually, but just fore of it is the trawling winch.

 As to the missing cranes or derricks on deck these were used to handle the accessories to the sweeping cable, i.e. a float at the end of it and an otter (like a grating) to force the outward curve ot the cable (paravanes combined both functions). However, these accessories were much smaller in coastal forces than on fleet sweepers, and maybe small enough to be manhandled. I don´t recall seeing derricks on Fairmile B´s decks, but I would need to check this.

 Cheers,

Guido.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Guido

Found the article…………….just what I was looking for……………..I can now see what the contraptions were on the rear superstructure……………………progress!

 Thanks a lot……………..Bob

[dampyParticipant @dampy]

hi Bob, her steam anchor windlasses may have looked like this and below a piccy of a steam trawl winch of around the 1940’s. made from the Mount fleet kits Sir Lancelot

heres a steam anchor windlass i’m scratch building for my new trawler build project

< made mainly from plasticard and wood, the cog teeth are little strips of electrical solder glued on with superglue then filed flat just on the top's to give the tooth's profile, the tiny bolt heads are just again electrical solder then nipped flat on 3 sides giving 6 faces,

hope this is of some help

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Dampy

Thanks a lot for the winch info.

I`m hoping to find a couple of plastic kits to build them………….they look very fiddly!

I like your home made gear teeth!…………………my eyes are not good enough these days for such fine detail

Regards………….Bob 

[dampyParticipant @dampy]

HI Bob, regarding a plastic kit for such an individual part I think you will be lucky to source,  then it has to be the right scale!,  I’m diabetic and it plays hell with my eye sight on a daily basis I use a large base mounted magnifing glass  for making and assembling small items.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Dampy

Couldn`t find any plastic kits………….so I`ve cobbled together my own versions of guns and winches and they`ve turned out quite reasonabell

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Morning Bob

Have a the latest issue of the model boat mag,  on page 61 is a very nice piece on a armed trawler with close ups of paravanes, depth charge equipment and deck guns. Might be a help with naval JD.

Merry Christmas to you and your long suffering wife.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Mornin` Paul

I`ll have a look at that when I get the magazine………………….What d`yer mean?……………………Long suffering wife!

She doesn`t mind me spending all this time upstairs……………..at least it`s warm and she knows where I am!……………………….She can watch all the Soaps and soppy films in complete peace!

And a Merry Christmas to your good self and your long suffering wife!……………lol

Bob up steps

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Ah well Bob

If your dear lady is anything like mine then she must tolerate sawdust, drawings all over the floor and the smell of fiberglass throughout the house and being constantly asked if a model looks right form a particular angle.

I suppose that being upstairs is better than being at the pub but does she mind you going off to the lake or does she take an active part in your hobby?

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Wifey doesn`t mind me going to the lake…………………we sometimes went in the campervan……………..and that makes all the difference

Our next trip to the club lake will be the Frostbite Sail on the 27th Dec……………………and will probably sail Jeanie Deans

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hi Bob

Don’t forget to take some photos of the frostbite sail, I am looking forward to seeing you in your santa suit.

Paul

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