HMS Terrible

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Ashley

Thank you for the very kind offer but I have a copy of D K Browns book.

I have looked at the development of the first class cruisers from Warrior to the Dreadnoughts and the problem is that the science of hydrodynamics was developing so fast that each new design changed as the cruisers developed, even the Drakes that were a direct development from the Powerful class were substantially different from Powerful and Terrible.

I could make a guess as the underwater profile but I don't want to do all the work only to be pulled up by a rivet counter.

I am registered as a researcher at Greenwich and have been through their archive but with no luck.

So you can see the problem.

Perhaps I should build HMS Leviathan instead (a Duke class from 1901)

Just fed up but thanks for the offer.

Paul

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

I have DK Brown's book and others and my impression is that in Victorian times hull shapes evolved from one class to another on an empirical basis. They were expanded, stretched or both and the basic shape was not too complicated and did not change very much. The image below is of HMS Leviathan of the same class as Good Hope which I think would be pretty close to the HMS Terrible hull shape. I can email you a larger file if you want.

Colin

Edited By Colin Bishop, Website Editor on 12/05/2012 20:35:29

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Colin, Theres no doubt about it, That is a seriously good looking boat, and what an intersting underwater shape, what with the ram etc. And worth a bit more research, Paul..!

Ashley

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Colin

Thank you for the help and offer I have quite a lot of info on the Leviathan (maybe from the same source as yours) I set myself the challenge of the Powerful class as they are quite obscure and the problem of trying to second guess the design is that working at 1:60 minor changes in hull shape become magnified.

The design of the bow seems to be fairly well fixed across the range of first class cruisers between 1895 to 1919 as does the position and attitude of the shafts what does change is the width and shape of the midships hull and the size/shape of the rudder.

I really don't want to go to all this work only to fail during a show when an 'expert' comes up with exact dims of the real thing.

Not to worry I will keep on looking.

Thanks again

Paul

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Paul,

If you are unable to find any details relating to the precise hull shape then it is unlikely that you would ever be challenged.

However, it might be worth contacting the Royal Naval Museum at Portsmouth to see if they can help. Should they have any material I would be happy to go and look at it for you to see if it would be of any practical use. It is possible that the ship will have been dry docked there.

Colin

[neil hpParticipant @neilhp]

Posted by Colin Bishop, Website Editor on 13/05/2012 13:11:10:

Paul,

If you are unable to find any details relating to the precise hull shape then it is unlikely that you would ever be challenged.

Colin

Colin…..you don't know how refreshing it is to hear a comment like that from such am highly respected modeller as yourself.

there are so many mdellers put of making a model because they can't find the exact configuration to please those that would scoff because the work of art isn't 100%, and I for one admire you for it……good on you, and thanks for standing out and saying so.

neil.

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Why, thanks Neil. Of course Paul's real problem is someome having a look at the model and commenting 'That's Terrible!'

Colin

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

I should see this as a challenge, to make the best possible model (below the waterline)…without a definiative builders plan or model, or contemporary photographs. Making the best guess using the available information.

No one could scoff at this.. if there is no official plan, you cant really be wrong, eh? And for that matter no one possibly criticise unless they were in the knowledge of official plans hitherto hidden.

It is most likely the ship was just a scaled up example of what went before, as there was nothing revolutionary about the ships, they were just BIG.

Yes, perhaps the POWERFUL would be a better choice?

Ashley

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Who would have thought that my little model could have generated such interesting and varied comments.

I have a set of hull drawings / sections for the Leviathan and some photos of the builders model that was auctioned off recently so I might give the Leviathan a go.

But if I carry on with Terrible can I have a note from you Colin excusing any errors

Paul

 

Edited By The Fat Controller on 14/05/2012 14:08:59

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Coming soon on ebay…………….Just the thing for the next model boat show

A get out of jail free card signed by Colin Bishop

This note covers any errors that the judges might find and will fast track any entry straight to first prize!

Paul

Sorry Colin but I couldnt resist

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Giving up on the Powerful class and instead will have a serious go at the Drake class ( HMS Leviathan)

Paul

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Best of luck with the build Paul, it's certainly easier when you don't have to extrapolate.

Colin

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Thanks Colin and I don't like rubbing sandpaper on my skin either.

Paul

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