Classic boats at Chichester

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Mrs B and I were down in Chichester today and visited the marina for lunch. On wandering around afterwards we came across the following lovely examples of classic boats.

Of particular interest to Bob A, Paul T and Dave M I think.

Colin

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

You’d love one of these.

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

That Swordsman is in lovely nick – shame about the scaffolding up top. PT to note the angle of the prop shafts.

As for the VGC – hull's a bit smooth, innit? Perhaps they ran out of P38 – I gather there's a world shortage

DM

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

I liked the chaff launchers on the bow too Dave…

Colin

[CookieOldParticipant @cookieold]

Ha Ha Dave , You had to get that one in to Paul , will you two ever let this drop.

A.T.B Dave

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Posted by Cookie on 25/10/2016 18:41:06:

Ha Ha Dave , You had to get that one in to Paul , will you two ever let this drop.

A.T.B Dave

Not while there is breath left in his body, sir!

CB
They're actually "baskets" for the fenders – not that my Stratocaster would fit remotely into any of them.

DM

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Yes Dave, I know they are just basket cases really. On my old 1:1 scale boat we just stuck them in the cockpit lockers when not in use.

Colin

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Colin

From my albeit limited experience of the owners of full-size Fairey powerboats I would guess that the cockpit lockers are more likely to be refrigerated and full of bottles of Chablis, Sancerre and Muscadet.
I can also tell you that making those infernal fender baskets at 1/16 scale is a pig of a job. It took a whole bottle of (lightly chilled) Sauvignon Blanc (New Zealand, Marlborough) to calm me down afterwards…
"So much to do – so few bottles left…"

Dave M

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you, Dave for posting such nice photos of these very attractive launches

Especially with the Gang of Three in mind, I assume

Since there is apparently, a world shortage of P38 filler, I shall have to control my desire of achieving a similar plastic moulded look……….and call it a day

Silver Mist is progressing slowly at the moment……BTW

Bob

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

It was actually Colin who posted them, Bob. I don't think anyone with my accent would be allowed in Chichester.

DM

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Nonsense Dave, you would be very welcome. They might not understand what you were talking about though…

Colin

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Eee bar gum, lad

I`ve no chance either…..M`Duck

Bob

[Kev.WParticipant @kev-w]

Ayup owd flower, thy as t'admit tho, them sutherners muz be a tad fit wi all fruit they eats, theyz allus gorra plum int gob.

Edited By Kip Woods on 26/10/2016 11:48:19

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Colin

Lovely photos and thank you for sharing them with us.

I see that DMs Christmas present for his long suffering wife is coming along nicely and it will look superb when the covers come off the bridge….although I still maintain that those shafts are set at a very extreme angle.

Paul

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

I still maintain that those shafts are set at a very extreme angle.

It's a bit late to argue the point with Alan Burnard – next year is the 100th anniversary of his birth. I'm trying to blag a ride on a 'hope-it's-been-fully-restored-by-then' Huntsman 31 at the celebrations. I must confess that I was sorely tempted by a beautifully-maintained Jaguar XK8 4.0 convertible this week but my piggy-bank remains steadfastly intact, waiting for that "Fairey" moment… One expensive toy is quite enough!

DM

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

I suppose that explains the marquee on the top – they are working on the engines…

Colin

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

"No, Colin…" (O dear – he can be a bit wayward sometimes….) "The picture which is above is the one which you took at Chichester of a Swordsman. It's finished and doesn't need the engines working on.
The boat I'm talking about is called a Huntsman and is currently up on blocks in a driveway in Yateley (near Sandhurst), awaiting both of its newly-converted Cummins diesel engines. It doesn't have a big marquee on the top; just a cover big enough to keep the rain out. OK?"

(Gawd strewth – it's like talking to a puppy, isn't it?)

"Now go and find your tablets and sit down in your chair…."

(I'm off sharpish for a large JD before he asks anything)

DM

[John W EParticipant @johnwe]

hi ya there me marra

what's this about prop shaft angles eh? here is me reaching for me bible of all bibles – you cant argue against this guy – what he says is RIGHT – Peter Du Cane – from Vosper. I have several of these bibles from when I used to build the real 'I ammers' and somewhere from the depths of me mind from one of those books – it states – the angle of a prop shaft should be in the region of 13 degrees for a deep V hull of multi engine construction e.g. the Surfury and them rubbishy boats the erm erm what do you call them boats again that Mr Dave M likes nice looking boats thos isn't there in Colin's pics – yes sitting on the aft deck drinking Champers – but in my case cheap pop from Lidl or Aldi haha

Marra, John

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

The Alan Burnard and Peter Du Cane designs whilst excellent were the product of compromises that were imposed on the designers by the equipment and materials of the time.

The ideal shaft angle is 0deg as this allows for maximum propeller performance.

As the shaft angle increases so does the size of the propeller in order to compensate for loss in performance.

At 14deg the attack angle of the propeller is seriously compromised.

Paul

[John W EParticipant @johnwe]

Paul, tongue in cheek, you and I could discuss for a long time the subject of the different designs of props and the rights and wrongs – such as surface piercing props with flexi drive; z drives; with counter rotating props – and we could go on forever. But we would only drive them asleep here on this forum. There are so many things that can be prove wrong – especially with a zero angled drive.. Peter Du Cane was my bible during my design work of real boats.

John

Edited By bluebird on 26/10/2016 20:04:56

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

John

See? I still know where his switches are…..

Dave

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Dave

Yes the switches are always there to be kicked and as you well know the deep vee hull, more than any other hull, rankles me as an inadequate compromise.

Alan Burnard achieved perfectly shaped hulls that has such elegant styling…..all except the shafts… that dangle below the boat in such a sad way that only a female humpback could approve of them.

I understand that Alan was hamstrung by the equipment and materials that were available back in the 1960s but if he were starting his design work today how different would the boats have been.

John

Yes we probably could send everyone to sleep discussing the finer points of marine design but as a final question on this subject… during your career haven't you ever wished to develop a system that was better than those in the text books [or bibles]?

Paul

[John W EParticipant @johnwe]

Hi there Paul

I take it by your last statement that you are more of a book basher than an actually hands on designer builder of the real item. If you were actually involved in boat design you may realise its not off the cuff and its as simple as that. You have to make many compromises and many adjustments in the process of design/building to achieve the ultimate goal – of either personal requirements or the requirements of the customer.

Yes, I did design and build a hull that I am pretty proud of.

John

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Yes, I did design and build a hull that I am pretty proud of.

Go on, John – how about one of the pictures of it being craned over the top of your house?

I imagine that a modern deep-vee would have a Z-drive or perhaps twin ones. I've not researched the matter because 'plastic-pigs' don't interest me in the slightest.There was an attempt to resurrect the Huntsman as a completely GRP-moulded luxury cruiser but the company fitted a single water-jet. It was apparently a poor performer and a commercial failure.

I'm pretty happy with the performance of my "inadequate compromises" and as we don't get many female humpbacks in Papplewick Pond I guess they're safe from marauding wildlife. I note you've also owned several Huntsmen of various sizes and colours, Paul..

Dave M

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

John

re my book bashing please read Bobs posting on the Silver Mist thread 13th April 2016 17.25

Dave

Yes and I will undoubtedly own or build a few more but there is always room for improvement.

Paul

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