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  • #85798
    Bob Abell 2
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      @bobabell2

      Found this interesting page which may be of interest to the Scale Sail fans

      i'm amazed at the confusing array of ropes and nautical terms etc

      Bob

      Sail description

      #9524
      Bob Abell 2
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        @bobabell2
        #85799
        ashley needham
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          @ashleyneedham69188

          Hi Bob. Yes, confusing….

          You would have to make a huge sail to include that much detail on a model!

          Ashley

          #85800
          Ray Wood 3
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            @raywood3

            Hi Bob,

            Good morning for the forum! Blowing a hooley down here in Kent, and they haven't given it a name 😀 looks like Victory took a lot of hits, interesting that a record of the damage to the sail was kept.

            Regards Ray

            #85801
            Bob Abell 2
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              @bobabell2

              Very sorry chaps, I've posted the wrong sail picture!

              I did say it was confusing, having a Senior Moment with the system

              Please be patient, me 'arties

              Bob

              #85802
              ashley needham
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                @ashleyneedham69188

                Ray. Yes a lot of hits (or moths?) but shows the damage resilience of a big sail. The whole suit of sails could take that sort of damage and still provide propulsion, assuming the masts weren’t hit!

                Ashley

                #85803
                Bob Abell 2
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                  @bobabell2

                  Sorry chaps, now think the IPad can't handle the challenge?

                  Will try a new tack

                  Bob

                  #85804
                  Ray Wood 3
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                    @raywood3

                    Hi all,

                    The old period sailing ships have always been the final frontier for me to build, maybe when I can afford to stop working, I have the Underhill drawings for a 74 gun ship of the line, which I will build eventually the woodwork is complex to do proper scale job 😯

                    Regards Ray

                    #85806
                    Bob Abell 2
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                      @bobabell2

                      Sorted……

                      How`s this Ray and Ash?

                      ropes.jpg

                      #85807
                      Ray Wood 3
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                        @raywood3

                        Crickey, maybe I'll stay with motor boats !! That's a lot of string 😀

                        Regards Ray

                        #85808
                        ashley needham
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                          @ashleyneedham69188

                          Yeah, just as confusing!

                          I have sailed on a square rigger and it is not quite as difficult as it seems. All the belaying stations are the same (layout) and some of the ropes are made from different stuff for different uses, plus you don’t need to know all the terms of the sails when sailing.

                          That is the sort of picture everyone needs to keep for reference. Certainly I had to do some research for the London even though it is much simplified.

                          Ashley

                          #85811
                          Colin Bishop
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                            @colinbishop34627

                            Ray, the actual sail from Victory has been preserved at Portsmouth. It was on display for a while during the events to mark the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar.

                            Colin

                            #85841
                            Bob Abell 2
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                              @bobabell2

                              Here is the actual sail on display at Portsmouth

                              Morbidly fascinating?

                              Bob

                              sail display.jpg

                              #85842
                              Bob Abell 2
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                                @bobabell2

                                Cannon ball damage discovered in the Hull planking

                                Fascinating or what?

                                Bob

                                crater.jpg

                                #85844
                                Banjoman
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                                  @banjoman

                                  Bob,

                                  On YouTube, there's is a short video where the Vasa Museum (and others, I think) are test firing a full size replica of one of the Vasa's guns against a target which is also a full size solid oak replica of a wooden man o'war's sides. I believe the tests were carried out at the Bofors test firing range …

                                  Anyway, here's the link: **LINK**

                                  There are more video clips from the same occasion available, although mainly in Swedish. Still, the images speak very much for themselves!

                                  Mattias

                                  #85846
                                  Bob Abell 2
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                                    @bobabell2

                                    Thank you, Banjo…..And a Happy New Year

                                    Are you building anything at the moment?

                                    Bob

                                    #85847
                                    Colin Bishop
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                                      @colinbishop34627

                                      An impressive video. You can only shudder at the effect those splinters would have had on the ship's crew.

                                      A few RN ships were built of teak in India and the crews apparently hated them because a teak splinter wound almost always turned septic

                                      Colin

                                      Edited By Colin Bishop on 26/02/2020 12:38:29

                                      #85848
                                      Bob Abell 2
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                                        @bobabell2

                                        An excellent demonstration of fire power!

                                        The Oak looked very brittle and offered no protection to the gun crews

                                        The shot would probably gone through both sides of the ship………As clean as a whistle

                                        On Victory`s first pass through the Enemy fleet, she gave a full broadsides on both sides and raked the enemy ships end on!

                                        Must have been a dreadful sight

                                        Can`t really understand the purpose of the sea battles at the period……..

                                        Why shoot the sails? etc

                                        Why shoot the hulls? etc

                                        It must have been chaotic…….Drifting about. unable to steer etc

                                        I wonder if they bounced the shot off the sea?

                                        Bob

                                        #85850
                                        Roger Clark
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                                          @rogerclark

                                          The shots at the sails were attempts to bring the masts down and the shots into the hull were to disable the guns, those battles were for sea supremacy and control of commerce, much the same as recent wars and flag waving really.

                                          Regards

                                          Roger

                                          #85851
                                          Banjoman
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                                            @banjoman

                                            A very Happy New Year to you, too, Bob

                                            Well, yes, I am currently building summat, but not anything at all boat or ship shaped, I'm afraid, as right now I'm busy making a small table to use as a sharpening station in my workshop, based around two old offcuts of Corian that I saved from a kitchen renovation some 15 or so years ago; they will of course make up the top and shelf, being nice, smooth, flat, water proof and very easy to wipe clean.

                                            This is my sketch for the project (all measurements in mm):

                                            sharpeningstation.jpg

                                             

                                            Apart from giving me a dedicated sharpening station (which is handy, as it can go next to the workshop sink, and have the most frequently used stones permanently set out and ready), the project is also a test of my own mettle against American hard maple as a timber, as that is what I'd like to use for an upcoming work bench build; I thus started this particular job by ripping and cross cutting a couple of raw planks of 8/4 and 6/4 hard maple …

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                                            … to break the stock down to rough size …

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                                            … before hand planing it smooth, to thickness …

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                                            … to width and foursquare.

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                                            Right now I'm chopping out the mortises in the legs …

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                                            … after which it'll be time to saw the tenons on the rails.

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                                            As I just said, this is, as it were, a warm-up and training project for what I plan to do next, which is to build a 7' x 24" x 4" work bench; I have already bought all the hardware, and sometime in March or April I plan to travel up to Arnhem in the Netherlands, where there is a first class timber yard, and buy the timber I'll need for that.

                                            However, given that I will then want to give that timber a fair amount of time to acclimatise to my workshop, my thinking right now is that once the timber had been laid in, it would not be a bad moment to finally get on to the Fairey Huntsman that is next on my model boat build list … We'll see about that, but if I do, I'll be sure to post about it here

                                            Edited By Banjoman on 26/02/2020 20:14:01

                                            Edited By Banjoman on 26/02/2020 20:14:24

                                            #85852
                                            Bob Abell 2
                                            Participant
                                              @bobabell2

                                              Well, you`ve certainly got your hands full this time Banjo!

                                              I like you`re workshop, neat and tidy as I would expect from your goodself

                                              Keep in touch

                                              Bob

                                              #85853
                                              Chris Fellows
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                                                @chrisfellows72943

                                                Banjo – yes, lovely workshop, and good to see something being built from some nice timber and using hand tools.

                                                Looking forward to your Huntsman build.

                                                Chris

                                                #85855
                                                Bob Abell 2
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                                                  @bobabell2

                                                  HMS Victory in Portsmouth?

                                                  Note the lack of shear

                                                  Bob

                                                  vic at sea.jpg

                                                  #85858
                                                  Ray Wood 3
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                                                    @raywood3

                                                    Hi Bob,

                                                    She definitely did have some shear, as per the drawing from The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships by Nepean Longridge,

                                                    When she was a training ship, I imagine they put a flat roof over her decks hence the look in the photo, interestingly the gun ports on all decks are level with the waterline.

                                                    Regards Rayimg_20200228_085804.jpg

                                                    #85859
                                                    Bob Abell 2
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                                                      @bobabell2

                                                      Thank you Ray

                                                      There were two HMS Victory`s

                                                      An earlier one and the present ship on display at Portsmouth

                                                      In fact, the earlier Victory has only just been found in the last few years. A few cannon have been raised, but funds are not available for a Mary Rose type of preservation

                                                      Now then…..Did the present ship have shear?

                                                      Back shortly

                                                      Bob

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