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  • #62060
    Bob Abell 2
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      Just spotted this unusual destroyer

      US Navy Zumwalt class

      In the age of powerful long range guided missiles…..Is there a future for such ships?

      Bob

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      Edited By Bob Abell on 15/12/2015 08:33:34

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      #9480
      Bob Abell 2
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        #62063
        ashley needham
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          @ashleyneedham69188

          Of course there is Bob, you have to be able to carry the missiles to roughly where you want to shoot them from and then the carrying vessel needs to be able to protect itself from counter attack. You also need a show of force, ie, a ship on the horizon to show that you COULD fire missiles if you wanted, or carry out long range ship=shore bombardment. It has a 155mm gun cap[able of firing rocket propelled shells to over 100 miles, guided, by the way.

          This would be an easy vessel to build eh!! all flat sides. Easy peasy to get a really good stand off scale job. Not for me, don't do American warships.

          Only $3 billion dollars, put me down for two.

          Ashley

          #62065
          Bob Abell 2
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            @bobabell2

            An ideal hardboard project, for Ashley?

            With such a ship……..You would have all your eggs in one basket!

            A dead ringer for a couple o dozen missiles?

            Bob

            #62072
            The Long Build
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              @thelongbuild

              In another publication 2005 a design for a free , I think Jet propulsion runner was shown , so An Ashley version is a must.

              #62081
              ashley needham
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                @ashleyneedham69188

                An ideal man-made board project indeed. Jet propulsion no probs (see Alvis).

                Detailing appears to consist of small patches stuck at random on the pyramidical superstructure..I can do that, AND I have loads of grey undercoat paint left over from making shedloads of landers !

                Interesting to see two gun turrets at the front, makes it look a bit more like a warship. What with the negatively raked bow, it looks almost Dreadnoughty

                Ashley

                #62082
                Colin Bishop
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                  @colinbishop34627

                  These ships have rarity value. Due to costs overruns and other problems only 3 are being built instead of 32 and the US Navy has reverted to the earlier Arleigh Burke design. The three ships have to carry all the design costs which makes them appallingly expensive and a huge waste of taxpayer money.

                  Colin

                  #62083
                  Bob Abell 2
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                    @bobabell2

                    It looks an ideal subject for a Modelboars free plan?

                    Bob

                    #62086
                    Dodgy Geezer 1
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                      @dodgygeezer1

                      I had already been looking at this shape for a new EeZeBilt, but a civil ship – the 'A' yacht of Andrey Melnichenko.

                      Here is a video: **LINK**

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                      #62092
                      Paul T
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                        @pault84577

                        Hi Bob

                        It is certainly a strange design which harks back to the battleships from the Victorian era.

                        The ship below is HMS Glory 1898

                        Or how about this early example from the USA

                        Paul

                        #62093
                        Bob Abell 2
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                          @bobabell2

                          Hello Paul

                          I can see the connection

                          Strange that this ship has sails……As opposed to the Ironclads, without sails…….30 years earlier

                          Did it ever see action?

                          Bob

                          #62095
                          Paul T
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                            @pault84577

                            I don't know if it ever went into battle.

                            The images of the ships were part of the research that I did into future naval development when looking into the Ghost Boat that you were interested in

                            20120110191110enprnprn-juliet-marine-systems-ghost-1-1y-1326222670mr.jpg

                            One of these fantastic designs could be your next build or are you waiting to have a crack at the inboard paddle steamer.

                            Paul

                            #62096
                            Bob Abell 2
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                              @bobabell2

                              Hello Paul

                              The inboard paddle boat may be of interest………are you working on it?

                              Bob

                              #62098
                              Paul T
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                                @pault84577

                                Bob

                                I've just updated that thread.

                                The calcs are done but I haven't done any drawings.

                                Paul

                                #62108
                                ashley needham
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                                  @ashleyneedham69188

                                  I actually lay awake last night mulling over the practicalities of a Zummy. As usual with these modern styles of warship there is a very high superstructure, but of course making the boat slightly larger would effectively decrease the structural weight a bit by "thinning" the sheet material down for the scale.

                                  Bulkheads could be Styrofoam to save top-weight, access via deck hatches. Make the below water section a bit deeper to provide more stability/ability to add a decent amount of ballast. Seems to have been fitted with conventional props so nothing difficult there. Balsa gun turrets, card "hatches", man made board patches for the radar or possibly 1.5mm ply. Foam helicopter unless something commercial is available.

                                  About 4 foot long, the size I have settled on as being large enough to be ..not small… and to fit in the boot of the car.

                                  The entire thing seems to be all straight lines. I have no doubt that I could construct a shell in three or four sunny days no probs using superglue (which is great for man-made board, as it penetrates through the material strengthening the joins wonderfully) and 5 min epoxy for the foam structure bits.

                                  Ashley

                                  #62111
                                  Bob Abell 2
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                                    @bobabell2

                                    An ideal subject for Paul's charity venture?……..4'-0" nice size?

                                    How about it Paul?

                                    You draw it and I'll mek it!

                                    With a chunky Brushless stick o' Dynamite!

                                    I think, the Boy's are back in town?

                                    Bob

                                    #62114
                                    Paul T
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                                      @pault84577

                                      Hello Captain Bob

                                      I actually fancy doing something really different and futuristic so I guess that the Zummy qualifies, I will have a closer look at the ship to see if we can make it work at 4ft.

                                      Paul

                                      #62117
                                      ashley needham
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                                        @ashleyneedham69188

                                        Wow ! Captain bob…are you up to such a modern contrivance??? Carbon fibre is it?? and ally like the real thing?? or good old fashioned ply?? or a more MODERN and SOPHISTICATED material.

                                        Tricky, stopping the bow wave rising up the bow. Published pictures appear to show no rising bow wave, mind you it does have a large bulbous bow and this may be the trick.

                                        Ashley (torpedoes being loaded in sub right now)

                                        #62119
                                        Paul T
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                                          @pault84577

                                          Hi Ash

                                          I am looking at the bow right now trying to figure out why it doesn't 'plough' the ship down under the waves, the bulb obviously has a great deal to do with this.

                                          I have emailed the builders (bath iron works) and asked if I can have some design details.

                                          Paul

                                          #62121
                                          ashley needham
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                                            @ashleyneedham69188

                                            I have a feeling that the bulb is the key and this may be difficult to design in on a model, and may be a case of soft bulb and carving equipment at the pond side.

                                            Could make the bulb detachable, and so a few different forms could be tried. The photographed one looks quite broad, unusual..
                                            I should think men with d​ark glasses and large cars will be round assuming you were a bold Russian spy asking for details on a $3.5 billion ship !

                                            The plan of the ship is also unusual, rectangular for 2/3 at the rear and simply tapering to a point towards the bow, in almost a straight line?? wonder if it sits on its rear when in motion this keeping the front very light??

                                            Ashley

                                            #62123
                                            Paul T
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                                              @pault84577

                                              Hi Ash

                                              I agree, in fact the longer I look at the shape the more improbable the design seems.

                                              I get on well with the guys in dark glasses and often take a brew out to them, after all it is quite cold outside.

                                              Paul

                                              #62126
                                              Bob Abell 2
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                                                @bobabell2

                                                It probably has submarine type hydro planes…….To keep it's chin up?

                                                They could also assist with bow steering?

                                                It could also have torpedo tubes

                                                Has this ship sailed yet?

                                                Bob

                                                #62127
                                                Paul T
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                                                  @pault84577

                                                  Captain Bob

                                                  Instead of speculating about what it might do you could have some fun and do a little research into this vessel. The rail-gun and electron free laser will amaze you.

                                                  Paul

                                                  #62133
                                                  Paul T
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                                                    @pault84577

                                                    Bob

                                                    There is quite a lot of information on the interweb about this ship

                                                    zumwalt.jpg

                                                    A few design specs and other peoples models **LINK**

                                                    Paul

                                                    #62136
                                                    Bob Abell 2
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                                                      @bobabell2

                                                      Thank you, Paul

                                                      Are these ships now sailing on the open seas?

                                                      In the meantime, the dynamic duo are debating the size of model to be built

                                                      4ft…..5 ft…….or a split 6 footer?

                                                      A difficult decision!

                                                      Bob

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