Vintage yacht 36R

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Hi Kim ,

A first class build , its a pity model boats dont have build work shop for up and coming yotties.

You capt Bob should put a book together , along with coments by Paul…

and a big intro to scratch building by Garath, and a comic section for Ashley,

and a buget building using skip items … …………..cheers Larry.;;; still under

NHS cosh a waiting scans,,,,,,,,,

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Comic… COMIC ??? What DO you mean Larry??

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Good morning Ashley,

i hope i did not afend you , by the word comic ..?.. i should used the word humore.

i follow your postings daily, and enjoy your aproche to modeling ,

here is bit of news following the ark royal demise to the scrap yard,

the capett carrier as go the same way , grandson mother sent to the local tip  ..carrier that is  ..

to much battle damage to repair and clutter in toy box,..

but now very like end up with a POND YACHT ,  ..

anthother yattie convert cheers Larry……

Edited By LARRY WHETTON on 24/05/2013 09:11:52

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Larry. Carpet carrier, never mind. With all these things, it depends on how much they play with them, and of course something like that is a fair size..

Our carpet carrier currently lives with the rest of the boats in the shed, where I keep on adding bits to it to make it more realistic (!) but there is another "carrier" (of sorts, made to the same style as those in a favourite video game,, and even furnished with REPLICA video game fighters/bombers) in the bedroom, and also a sort of victorian battleship to put space marines on (also from a game).. as I say, sort of…

The word COMIC.. no probs.. I only posted FOR A LARF !

Ashley

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Go on, you've dangled the hook, so get ready to strike – what's a "carpet carrier"?

And for those who with an interest in these things, the TT starts tomorrow evening, noise, bikes, beer and burgers (some with and some without geegee I suppose.

Yacht to the water Sunday pm, we're having a tribute to the Star of India, launched from here in Ramsey as the Euterpe 150 years ago, about 50 yards from where I sit now. She';s the oldest iron ship still afloat and sailing – no engine – and made from wrought iron.

Still, carpet carrier, is that what a fitter uses?

Kimmo.

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Hi kimmo.

Received the suit of sails to day ,…..thank you all modelers out there you should see the

quality of workman ship kimmo puts into the sails, first class work such machine talent …

TT week last time i attended GEFF DUKE was king of the mountain..

Kimmo a very big thank you for sails, put a donation in RNLI can at Clevendon….

as for carpett carreir blame Ashley……it is one of is consepts can be a dual boat whole deck lifts of hull so it can be played with by the kids on the carpett,…..

a couple of pictures not to good but will give you a idea,…….thank you Larry……

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Larry, that's good postal delivery for you, they went in the box about 11am yesterday! 

I just hope they fit, I don't like making them at long range if I can help it as you can always juggle a bit before finishing the tapes etc. Just glad you like them and the RNLI are up a bit!

I should have guessed Ashley is behind a carpet carrier, well I'll have to get on with my solar rower for you all to see. If I can cut the off-center cams ok then he/she should be rowing soon (after the Llandudno holiday of course). Might bring him along for Bob to admire.

Almost finished off adding all the sheets and various outhauls and tension halliards on the 36R. Even I'm amazed at how nice the sails fit even after a good soaking and leaving out in the sun to dry. No shrinkage at all – so I must remember to get all my other sail cloth into the washer Sunday morning.

Have fun with Jenny when you get around to sailing her, Kim

Edited By Kimosubby Shipyards on 24/05/2013 18:21:50

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

well nearly all done, but I decided that as Cloie is mostly scratch built, I'd better make all the fittings that I could.

Here's the quadrant.

And here's the new mast step.

And no boat should be without her name and port of registration and some idea of builder, so here's the stern:

And the name on her beams.

Wonderfull stuff self making decal paper.

Later today to the Lake, weather is good and the bikes are on, so should be quiet for me, Kim.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Kimmo

I really like the quality of the build of your 36R!

The deck planking must have a sod to do?……..But well worth it!

I like your quality mast fittings too

Looking forward to the little get together at Llandudno…..very soon now

Bob

[Ian GardnerParticipant @iangardner62867]

Looks fabulous! Please tell us more about your decking methods. As I'm coming to the end of planking the deck on Veleta I concur with Bob. What do you use for the black caulking and what timbers have you used?

The decals look great too.

Ian

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Kimo. Very nice indeed. Can only echo Bob`s sentiments. Like the brass and copper bits. Nothing like a bit of shiny metal.

Carpet carrier. Tut Tut you have not been reading my posts !! take 100 lines. Picture in my album. Read all about it later on.

Ashley

[Tony HadleyParticipant @tonyhadley]

Can't add anything further than the last three comments.

A beautiful model, hope you will post more on the water shots.

Tony.

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Thanks for the comments, makes me fair blush…..

Ian, you asked about the planking.

The deck area at bow, stern, 3 x king planks and the deck edging are all walnut. The deck edging strips were put on before the other decking using bamboo trenails to hold the curve. PVA yellow wood glue used for all the decking.

I tried to use 5mm planks @ 0.5mm thickness, but these would not take the curve along their edge. I had maple in stock at 3 x 0.5mm so decided to cut some 6 x 0.5mm lime to 3mm and use them. (This gave me lots of 2mm strips for something else.)

What I should have done was check the maple for conformity to declared size, as once started I found the planks width varied by up to 10%, which can become quite noticeable in places.

The caulking is black card, about 250g grade. This was "plasticised" by painting both sides with a weak (1 : 4) dilution of the wood glue used and allowed to dry. I then very carefuly and with great care cut thin strips from it a little over the 0.5mm but trying to be less than 1mm. Very tricky, and I only cut about 10 strips at a time as the scalpel starts to find its own mind – and fingers! The card needs to be good quality as well, as I've noted on other builds with heavier card that it can separate, split if the PVA has not penetrated well.

The planking started at from the outside, first running glue using a brush into the exposed einner edge of the edging strip, and then pressing a single strip of cut paper, on edge, along the glue line ensuring it was on the deck base and against the plank edge.

Another brushing of glue along the strip edge and then glue brushed onto the frist wood strip. This was then eased up firmly to the card strip and using my aluminium square (se image) I was able to close up the gap. The planking clamps are the screw in type and these were liberally used along each plank to hold the plank against the outer one and to keep the plank flat.

The cut strips of card can be seen here, and the aluminium edgeer plus the clamps used. To get the clamps aligned, before each new plank was added, I scribed a line the width of the clamp base hole onto the deck base from the last edge. This meant that I could drill pilot holes for the clamps before any gluing. Working alternate sides I was able to set 4 planks and hour, the rate slowed a bit as and when the chamfers needed cutting.

You can also see the excess card standing proud of the deck planks.

The main excess card is trimmed off with a "skinning" scalpel blade one strip at a time. Try for two and you'll pull the strip out. And use fresh blades every 10 or so runs. The final leveling and scraping was with cabinet scrapers, razor blade scrapers and straight edged glass pieces (well wrapped in gaffer tape). The card remains in place so long as it has been glued well.

Sanding spread the fibres from the card and embeds them into the wood surface, hence sanding is not used.

I apologise to the experts, I was to joggle into the king plank partners, but time was running short.

Hope that answers your question Ian, Kim.

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Today was THE day.

This afternoon launched her onto the Mooragh Lake, as suggested by Bob, with a line attached to her bow. used fly fishing line (it floats and was the first reel to hand.) Allowed her to sail off a bit then by stopping the line she tacked about and came home.

So that lasted all of 5 minutes – took line off, tightened in the beating sheets and set off again. Splendid sight and she almost went where I'd intended. This lake I sail on is about 100 yards from my house, is salt water and covers a bit more than 16 acres. Plenty of water to get lost on especially when there's an Island too.

Here's some snaps, took loads.

 

Lokking South, with the island on the right.

After turning her after the run above, here she's on her way back up the lake. Plenty of walking as the wind was a bit flukey and she kept being headed.

Just the one problem to cure, water has penetrated a very small area of the deck, and has got in via a few screw holes. I've washed her down and dried her out. Will have to seal the screw holes and give a couple more coats on the deck.

See you guys in Wales – must get a map and plan where we're going, boat goes on Thursday – week tomorrow……….

Kim.

Edited By Kimosubby Shipyards on 05/06/2013 19:38:26

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Hello Kim,

Great model , sails well and a great pictures cheerrs Larry..

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Kimmo

Nice photos of a classic model of yesteryear………..Looking forward to the event at Llandudno, I've never seen a serious yacht, free sail before

My word, your lake is nearly bigger than the IoM itself!……16 acres?…….How long did it take to cross?

Can't understand how a Braine rudder works, but all will be clear shortly, it must do something clever, but, it is a complete mystery to me

Many congrats on your very interesting build……..See you soon

Bob

Ps……..Been watching the TT every night this week, very interesting, but very dangerous

Wouldn't like to watch it live!

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Bob, just for you.

This was the first photo I took (as is) and you can see the fishing line attached at the bow. I must admit the idea works and could be developed, I already found that you had to keep the line to windward to avoid the rudder and entanglement.

For the experts – you'll note that I've just pulled the line to stop and turn the yacht – and that the main hawse has not tacked over, it's still up wind on the starboard side. The jib is just filling.

Now varnishing the deck again, already had 3 coats, so two more should seal it – and the screw holes!

Kim.

Edited By Kimosubby Shipyards on 06/06/2013 09:52:50

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hi Kimmo

I'm hoping to stay at Betws-y-Coed on Saturday night in the campervan, in order to get a good parking spo at Llandidno, but at the moment, they are fully booked up!

Hoping for a cancellation though

Plan B is to find another camp site……..and there's plenty around!

Anyway…..See you there……..Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Excuse me, chaps!

Who's bright idea was it to pick the yacht race on Father's Day?

I've only just twigged it……Sunday 16th June

Needless to say….I can't possibly go….The kids would be most offended

Verry sorry, Kimmo

Perhaps next time.

Bob

[Gareth JonesParticipant @garethjones79649]

I am sure all the followers of this thread will be pleased to know that Kim and Cloie aquitted themselves very well in the UK v USA model yachting competition at Llandudno at the weekend.  There were 28 yachts competing, all self steering 36R class models.  Designs ranged from a 1930's model still using its original sails, to modern high tech marvels with carbon fibre hulls, winged keels and vane gear so complex you need a brain the size of a planet to work out all the possible adjustments.   The competition was very friendly and the USA were very gracious in defeat.

Here are a few photos of the event. Each race was between 2 yachts, one from each team. 

Here is Cloie in action on the Sunday

Competitors and their mates are allowed to make adjustments to the sail or vane settings during the race or set the yacht off on a new tack if it reaches the sides of the pond.  Here's Kim deftly demonstrating the use of a turning pole.

Some of the races were very close with yachts tracking well along the full length of the pond without correction from their skippers.

Some were not so lucky and with maybe a dozen self steering yachts on the pond at anyone time collisions were inevitable.

The weather was very good with a challenging stiff breeze on the Saturday, falling to light and variable winds on Sunday afternoon.  The sun shone and the pond is in a lovely location, soon to be the home of a newly formed Llandudno Model Boat Club.  The local council are to be complimented for their efforts in clearing out all the accumulated sand and pressure washing the swan poo away to make it an ideal model boating location.  Overall an excellent weekend with lots of people making new friends.  The next round of the competition will be held in San Francisco and San Diego in 2 years time.

 

Edited By Gareth Jones on 17/06/2013 08:18:30

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Well done all ,………first class result….. Larry..

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Gareth,

thanks, what a wonderful experience that was. Two days of solid competition. I have to correct you on the first photo, that was Saturday afternoon on a run start with Nick. I wore trous on Saturday because of the wind and sailed all day in shorts and short shirt [AMBO] Sunday.

I'll pop on a photo of the plagues given us when I get around to emtying the camera!

Thanks Larry, it was an excellent result. I managed to score 8 points on Saturday, but zero on Sunday as the weather quietened down and the wind strhgth dropped almost to nothing.

My very first beat with Cloie got me a win and 3 points. That was my highlight, and the look on other competitors faces when they actually realised that these old boats can handle rough stuff better than the lightweight modern stuff.

And not sure if Arthur Barlow reads this forum, or anyone knows him in Llandudno, but he volunteered to pole for Brian King and me all day Sunday, that was 7 boards each, each with two legs, so 28 trips up and down the lake. He will get a medal from us one day, supreme companionship and greatly appreciated by Brian and myself, thankyou.

Kim

Edited By Kimosubby Shipyards on 18/06/2013 20:28:42

[steve hParticipant @steveh76883]

Hello Bob, I read your post on lead casting and thought you might be interested in another method. I am an engineer and specialise in bending metal sections, I use an alloy called ostaloy which is denser and heavier than lead, the best feature of this alloy is that it melts in boiling water so is very easy to use. I think that it was developed during ww2 to bend fuel lines in aircraft.

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

To All,

the event is called the USA/UK Challenge Regatta, and was held over two venues for 2013 being Gosport and Llandudno. The event is biannual, the next being 2015 in America, so get those 36R's out and sailing.

Here's the participants plaque, it shows the Gosport venue chart, host club's emblems and the two national flags.

I'm very proud to now have one, that the yacht built for the event got completed and that she was able to show her paces in the rough conditions and score some points. It'll take a lot of persuading and saving to go in 2015 – but I'll try.

Get well soon Dave (Wooley), we understood that you had intended to cover the event, but took to bed when you saw the forecast!

Regards, Kim

[Gareth JonesParticipant @garethjones79649]

Was Dave Wooley planning to cover the event for Model Boats magazine – if so does that mean there is an opening for an alternative report?

Gareth

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