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  • #9514
    Tim Cooper
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      #78982
      Tim Cooper
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        Channel 5 tonight at 8 pm, 6 part series on historic ships, beginning with the Victory.

        Doesn't say it has been on before.

        Tim

        #78986
        ashley needham
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          @ashleyneedham69188

          Good spot Tim. too late for me to have caught the first one but will set the old VCR for the rest! Ashley

          #78988
          Colin Bishop
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            I watched it but found it a bit shallow if you are already familiar with the ship and her history. Nothing new really but good to know they are publicising these vessels to people who may know little or anything about them.

            Colin

            #78992
            Tim Cooper
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              I watched it in between a bit of modelling but expected more about the Victory.

              Seemed to be more about Nelson .

              Tim

              #78993
              ashley needham
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                @ashleyneedham69188

                Its ok if you video it and watch it afterwards and f/f the boring bits. It is a shame they dumb down these programs.

                Ashley

                #79000
                Paul T
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                  @pault84577

                  I presume that the producers have to create a programme that appeals to the widest audience, do schools still teach history that includes these things?

                  #79268
                  Bob Wilson
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                    To most folk, it is just another "boat!" So much has been written about it that I must admit, I find my eyes "glazing over" whenever it is mentioned – Same goes for Cutty Sark – Bob

                    #79272
                    Paul T
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                      Bob

                      I would have thought that the preservation of older ships would meet with your approval, I appreciate that they are not of your era but they do help demonstrate to the modern generation the privations that seafarers faced in the past.

                      A couple of weeks ago I was wandering around the historic ships in the Albert Dock and thought that you would be perfectly at home.

                      Which little ship are you going to build next?

                      Paul

                      #79276
                      Bob Wilson
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                        Paul

                        The presevration of the Victory is excellent, and I have no problem with that, also the Warrior, that I find far more impressive, and also the Great Britain and the Glenlee (how many have even heard of Glenlee?) But at the same time, to most people in Britain, they are just "old boats!" As far as I am concerned, they have ruined the Cutty Sark by the way she is displayed in something like a big glass marshmallow!surprise As for what I will build next, maybe nothing. Interest from ship model builders in merchant ships has declined to such an extent, that it is hardly worth showing them. Take my Helen Craig, for instance, in the Scratchbuilt section here on MB, virtually no interest. or curiosity as to what it would look like when completed has been shown. It was sold within hours of completion to a local collector, as most of them are, but I am coming under so much pressure from collectors that it has taken all the pleasure out of it for me. Since the Gulf Stream was damaged in transit to Belgium, I have decided not to send any by courier any more, and insisting on personal collection has virtually wiped out their selling potential.

                        I stopped taking them to the local ship model society ages ago, because of lack of interest, and not a single member has asked me why! Times change, and interests change on the ship model scene, and I guess I am now beyond my sell-by date!

                        I am doing a lot more reading and writing though (maritime, merchant navy only), but most of the interest is on the other side of the world – USA, Far East and Australia/New Zealand, but our microscopic publishing empire (Sheltederck Publishing) is now thriving!smile

                        Bob

                        #79278
                        Colin Bishop
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                          Quite agree re Cutty Sark, an absolutely dreadful job, you simply cannot take in the ship as a whole anymore. Those responsible should be keel hauled.

                          Colin

                          #79279
                          Paul T
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                            @pault84577

                            I can understand the need to support the ship along the waterline with those large steels and using the dry dock as a covered multi-functional space makes excellent economic sense but having a such a heavy section 'bus station' roof does rather detract from the ships graceful lines.

                            Related image

                            Bob have you ever done a model of Batavia queen?

                            Paul

                            #79280
                            Colin Bishop
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                              Paul,

                              Formerly you could see the graceful lines but the way the ship is currently displayed you simply cannot see them from ground level anymore.

                              Colin

                              #79282
                              Bob Wilson
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                                @bobwilson59101

                                I saw Batavia Queen in the film Krakatoa, East of Java, but never built one. Bob

                                #79284
                                Paul T
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                                  Bob

                                  Having been an avid follower of your builds for years I would like to presume to think that the Batavia queen fits your style

                                  Image result for ship batavia queen

                                  Paul

                                  #79285
                                  Colin Bishop
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                                    @colinbishop34627

                                    The film was wrong, Kratatoa is East of Java….

                                    Pedantic me!

                                    Colin

                                    #79286
                                    Bob Wilson
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                                      @bobwilson59101

                                      The film is called "Krakatoa, East of Java!" So why is it wrong? **LINK**

                                      I have built quite a few like that, but I only build what I have plans for!

                                      Bob

                                      #79287
                                      Bob Wilson
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                                        @bobwilson59101

                                        Just looked it up. Apparently, Krakatoa was west of Java, when it still existed! – Here is a steamship assisted by sail like the Batavia Queen was, but much bigger. Bob

                                        papanui.jpg

                                        #79288
                                        Colin Bishop
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                                          @colinbishop34627

                                          Sorry, my mistake, I meant west of Java! Busy day today.

                                          Kipling got it wrong too in Mandalay, the dawn doesn't 'come up like thunder outer of China 'crost the Bay'

                                          Sounds good though.

                                          Colin

                                          #79291
                                          Dave Milbourn
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                                            So who said that Kipling was actually in Madalay? He was only on the road to Mandalay, so the sun might well have come up like thunder wherever it was, as long as it was on the west side of a bay which adjoins China.
                                            Pedantic? Who? Me??
                                            I last visited Victory in 1961, before they put the bus station up around it. We also visited Cutty Sark about two days before the big fire, so we haven't seen what a travesty they've since made of it.
                                            The Vasa is the best example I've seen of how a complete ship should be preserved. It's truly jaw-dropping.
                                            DM

                                            #79292
                                            Bob Wilson
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                                              @bobwilson59101

                                              When I was in Stockholm, I never even visted Vasa, but went to see iron full-rigged ship Af Chapman instead!surprise In Portsmouth, I visted Victory and Warrior, but never bothered with Mary Rosesurprise Neither Vasa nor Mary Rose were particularly successful as ships, and were built too far back to kindle any interest in me!

                                              Bob

                                              #79293
                                              Colin Bishop
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                                                @colinbishop34627

                                                Yes, Vasa is amazing. We didn't have long enough there.I did get some pics for the magazine though. I will see if I can post some of them on here as an article.

                                                Colin

                                                #79295
                                                Colin Bishop
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                                                  @colinbishop34627

                                                  You can see the article here:

                                                  **LINK**

                                                  Colin

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                                                  #79310
                                                  Paul T
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                                                    @pault84577

                                                    It will always amaze me how these little, fragile wooden ships managed to sail beyond sight of land never mind cross the oceans like Mayflower or circumnavigate the globe like The Golden Hind.

                                                    Brave men.

                                                    Bob

                                                    Have you ever been inclined to build a model of Great Eastern?

                                                    Paul

                                                    #79313
                                                    Bob Wilson
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                                                      @bobwilson59101

                                                      They were probably quite strongly built, but often with no apparent grasp of stability!

                                                      No, I have never wanted to build Great Eastern. I always thought it was rather shapeless. Same went for Great Britain that I also thought was quite ugly, although it was interesting to visit.

                                                      I find ships like this far more attractive.

                                                      Bob

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                                                      Edited By Bob Wilson on 11/10/2018 14:26:03

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