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  • #58563
    Paul T
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      @pault84577

      After a few years of deteriorating ability I am no longer able to carry my large models from car to lakeside and I also struggle to launch and recover them without a slipway.

      So it is finally time to design and build a transport and launching trolley.

      I have had some technical discussions with our forums electronics expert about steering options as I had intended crab steering capabilities.

      As shown below.

      trolley steering.jpg

      The 10in wheels are usually found on sack trucks

      imagesmitrmumu.jpg

      Another option is to adopt a tank steering system which will be easier on the components but have less finesse when manoeuvring.

      Wheels, angled drives and pillow bearings have been ordered.

      Comments are invited

      Paul

       

       

      Edited By Paul T on 18/06/2015 17:08:17

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      #7020
      Paul T
      Participant
        @pault84577

        Can’t carry them anymore

        #58565
        Andy C
        Participant
          @andyc56856

          Hi Paul

          Sounds feasible. Maybe even RC using several servos to turn the axles. Left and Right crab steer could come in on extended throw of the Transmitter steering stick or some such. Tank steering would be easier to RC I guess over multiple wheel steering.

          Andy

          #58566
          Bob Abell 2
          Participant
            @bobabell2

            Paul

            Don't forget…….KISS

            Your idea is totally….OTT!

            Without a slipway, how will you launch the model?

            You'll really have to get your thinking cap on to beat the Lady Joyce built in wheels idea!

            A small manual Cherry Picker would be ideal?

            Bob

            #58569
            Paul T
            Participant
              @pault84577

              Hi Andy

              Thanks for the youtube clip and the steering ideas, you are right that tank steering would be easier and I would have the option of fitting tracks over the tyres for really tough conditions.

              Hello Bob

              What does kiss mean? Do you really think its OTT?

              With this machine I wont need a slipway and I have had my thinking cap on because this machine will not only transport, launch and recover any boat between 3 to 6ft it will also be a mobile workshop.

              A small Cherry Picker is not so far from what I have in mind.

              #58570
              Bob Abell 2
              Participant
                @bobabell2

                Hello Paul

                I asked the same question many years ago!

                Phil Winks replied……"Keep it simple, Stupid……..Which came as a surprise

                The Cherry Picker has alway's been in the back of my head, for quite a few years now

                An ideal project for a mock up would be built with Meccano?

                The real thing could be made from wood and every motion could be manual?

                It would need a second vehicle to transport it though!

                Bob

                #58571
                Paul T
                Participant
                  @pault84577

                  Hello Bob

                  'It would need a second vehicle to transport it though'

                  Not if its sectional.

                  wink

                  #58572
                  Andy C
                  Participant
                    @andyc56856

                    Cherry picker, now you're talking. Helped Tom build one of these from Lego Technic (8062)

                    **LINK**

                    6 wheels front & rear wheel steering, turns a dime, six pence, in it own wheel base. you get the idea,

                    Andy

                    #58578
                    Bob Abell 2
                    Participant
                      @bobabell2

                      Our club could keep the Cherry Picker in the Boat Yard

                      Then we could go to town with the construction!

                      The Council would frown on anything motorised though

                      Heavy models would need to be fitted with a lifting hook…..On the CoG of course

                      There is probably a commercial vehicle that could be bought over the counter!, that would fit the bill?

                      Bob

                      #58579
                      Paul T
                      Participant
                        @pault84577

                        A Cherry Picker isn't far from what I have in mind in as much as it involves mechanical handling and lifting but the machine wont resemble a Cherry Picker it will actually look more like what we in the building game call a 'flying carpet'.

                        #58580
                        Colin Bishop
                        Moderator
                          @colinbishop34627

                          Think laterally – build smaller boats!

                          Colin

                          small boats.jpg

                          #58581
                          Paul T
                          Participant
                            @pault84577

                            Hi Colin

                            I tried smaller boats but they are to fiddly and tend to break when I sail them. Besides I like em big

                            #58582
                            Bob Abell 2
                            Participant
                              @bobabell2

                              Something like this?,,,,,,But we would need two runways reaching out over the water

                              The general comment from the Club Committee has been……."If you can`t lift it……Don`t build it!"

                              This comment discourages members from building impressive models!

                              Which is a bit of a shame

                              Bob the Builder

                              2-ton-folding-cherry-picker.jpg

                              #58583
                              Colin Bishop
                              Moderator
                                @colinbishop34627

                                Good heavens Bob, you could hang somebody with that!

                                Colin

                                #58584
                                Bob Abell 2
                                Participant
                                  @bobabell2

                                  It`s only made of wood, Colin

                                  If we did have a few handicapped members, then something like this would certainly made available

                                  Bob

                                  picker in action_edited-2.jpg

                                  #58585
                                  Mark Jarvis 2
                                  Participant
                                    @markjarvis2

                                    Hi Paul

                                    Cherry picker!! what about the small engine cranes light weight, on wheels, hydraulic, (no power needs), break down into smaller pieces, couple of bolts and it will lift almost any size of model.

                                    Mark

                                    #58586
                                    Colin Bishop
                                    Moderator
                                      @colinbishop34627

                                      Paul,

                                      If you are going to design something then it might be an idea to widen the remit into a proper specification. Many of us have at least creaky knees and launching even small models can be a problem, (well launching isn't necessarily, but getting up afterwards is!)

                                      As Bob says, everything should be on the KISS principle with no unnecessary bells and whistles to complicate things.

                                      Functionally (and ideally by just one person) the device (or devices) must be able to:

                                      1. Facilitate transfer from car to trolley.

                                      2. Be capable of being easily pushed over uneven ground (grass) to the pondside.

                                      3. For launching – Be capable of transferring boat from trolley to lowering/lifting device so that boat can be lowered into the water parallel to the bank assuming a vertical side to the pond and the device withdrawn to allow it to sail away.

                                      4. For recovery – It should be possible to drive the model into the lifting device (slings?) which will then raise it from the water, allow its bottom to be wiped and dried(!) and then transported back to the car.

                                      Constructionally.

                                      1. Device(s) must be lightweight and capable of being easily broken down and assembled to facilitate transport/storage.

                                      2. Design should be scalable in the sense that the device(s) can be constructed in different sizes to meet the requirements of different sizes of model.

                                      It shouldn't be any more difficult than designing a folding baby buggy….laugh

                                      Colin

                                      #58587
                                      ashley needham
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                                        @ashleyneedham69188

                                        Colin. excellent idea. I would advocate as a first step that the model be housed in a box, with foam style supports instead of solid wood (albeit felt lined).

                                        This enables the model to be easily handled onto a trolley or other wheeled device, and the foam further protects the model from damage by providing cushioning "suspension". It would then enable the box to be securely secured to the trolley whilst in transit from car to pond (not very far at Bushy, and over flat smooth ground)

                                        Straps can be pre-positioned within the box for lifting the boat out, and/or using them in the launching system.

                                        Boxes are such a good idea as they allow, if nothing else, stacking on the floor at home besides providing the best possible transport protection.

                                        Ashley snaps, open sided boxes in this pic since mostly converted to full sided ones

                                        dscf1137.jpg

                                        #58589
                                        Bob Abell 2
                                        Participant
                                          @bobabell2

                                          It's nice that Paul's idea as been enthusiastically welcomed by the Forum members

                                          His first suggestion was indeed a bit OTT, but Paul loves designing complex structures and I prefer the KISS builds

                                          Let's see where the idea ends up

                                          Ashley……Your models look very pretty in their little boxes…….Hardboard construction, I presume?

                                          Bob

                                          #58590
                                          ashley needham
                                          Participant
                                            @ashleyneedham69188

                                            I think the green one is, the rest are 5mm mdf, no need to use much else. 4mm ply would be nice I suppose but that much more expensive.

                                            The Hovervan, and projects No1 and 2 have exceptionally large boxes and are 4mm ply (hardboard tops) as the additional strength is required for this much unsupported flatness..

                                            I splash them with coloured emulsion to make them look gorgeous and cover up the shoddy workmanship. They are just boxes, after all. i made that bunch for the film they wre in (for transport) and then a load of boxes for the boats appearing at the MEX show. I didnt want to spend forever making boxes that were works of art.

                                            Ashley

                                            #58591
                                            Paul T
                                            Participant
                                              @pault84577

                                              Thank you all for your input.

                                              Bob:

                                              The garage crane is a nice idea but I fear that it will be to heavy, even if built smaller it still would be quite weighty and then there is the problem of hydraulic operating system.(Its over complicated)

                                              Mark:

                                              I had thought about Hiab arms and even a small luffing crane but these are also over complicated.

                                              Colin:

                                              I have been thinking along the same lines since last October and have already considered some of your points but you have raised a couple of very very good points which I am going to incorporate within the design.

                                              Ash:

                                              Keeping models in transport boxes is a good point but this machine also has to launch / recover and be a mobile workshop so the model will have to be out of its box.

                                              All:

                                              I have also had interest from the fishing community who see this trolley as a good way to transport heavy fishing gear from car to lake especially for the elderly or infirm.

                                              Thanks again for all of your comments and please keep them coming.

                                              Paul

                                              #58592
                                              Colin Bishop
                                              Moderator
                                                @colinbishop34627

                                                Perhaps there should be one other requirement in that it should be possible to carry out all operations from a standing position?

                                                Colin

                                                #58596
                                                Bob Abell 2
                                                Participant
                                                  @bobabell2

                                                  A simple starting point would be a framework with two large wheels………Like a Rickshaw

                                                  It's maneuverable and it can pivot up and down

                                                  Only needs an outreaching arm and the jobs a good un?

                                                  Any good, Paul?

                                                  Bob

                                                  #58597
                                                  Paul T
                                                  Participant
                                                    @pault84577

                                                    Colin

                                                    Standing or seated (wheelchair / scooter) single person operation and 90% mechanical is what I am aiming for.

                                                    Bob

                                                    Imagine yourself on a mobility scooter with limited ability to walk or lift. Whilst a rickshaw is an excellent example of using leavers for lifting it sadly needs an abellbodied man to operate it.

                                                    The trolley has to be sectional with no single part weighing more than 10kg.(I am trying to reduce this target weight to 8kg)

                                                    Paul

                                                    #58598
                                                    Bob Abell 2
                                                    Participant
                                                      @bobabell2

                                                      Paul

                                                      There must be many different types of inability cases

                                                      We need to settle on a certain type of person with a common type of handicap

                                                      I was really catering for just old people, who can do something for theirselves within reason

                                                      We can design many types of assistance aids, but only certain people will find them useful

                                                      I thought the original design was based on only you personally using it?

                                                      It's a difficult subject all right

                                                      Bob

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