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  • #49044
    Paul T
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      @pault84577

      The next model off the production line will be a Vintage Gentleman's Cruiser based upon an existing boat called Sea Dog which is a Stephens Bros 55 ft Bridge Deck Motor Yacht built in 1932.

      t1-03stbdbow.jpg t1-05portqtr.jpg

      I intend to build at 1:12 scale and will be taking a few liberties with the original shapes and timber sections as I change them to suit metric sizes.

      For this project and as a change to the usual format I will post the design process as well as the build and explain the whys & wherefores of how I work.

      Following the course of action established by my mentor Captain Bob I intend to follow a 'warts and all' procedure and promise to include all of the pitfalls and cockups that tend to happen to all of my builds.

      At this juncture I have to say that Jane has just commented on this and pointed out that I am not as brave as Bob and so some of the more disastrous errors might not make it onto the thread. So she has promised/threatened to make her own comments if I don't follow the rules

      There will be the jovial banter between the usual suspects but I hope that everybody who follows this thread will enjoy it and add their own comments as we progress.

      Paul

       

      Edited By Paul T on 22/05/2014 16:28:03

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      #6943
      Paul T
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        @pault84577
        #49046
        Colin Bishop
        Moderator
          @colinbishop34627

          That's a nice looking subject Paul. How was the original vessel powered – some form of motor obviously?

          Colin

          Edited By Colin Bishop, Website Forum Moderator on 22/05/2014 17:48:58

          #49047
          Martin Field 1
          Participant
            @martinfield1

            Ah, a proper cabin cruiser!

            Has a lovely Thorneycroftian look about it.

            And in the King of scales, but why metric?

            Martin

            #49048
            ashley needham
            Participant
              @ashleyneedham69188

              Yes, keep it imperial, after all, there will only be old `uns building it…wink

              Ashley

              #49049
              Bob Abell 2
              Participant
                @bobabell2

                I think you mean, Paul, Colin? (Yes I did -corrected! – Colin)

                Paul

                I am slightly saddened by you having to build the latest batch of your boat designs, yourself, but at the moment, my workshop is still slowly finishing off your last three wonderful creations, Brutus, Ellie and SloMo

                I look forward to your next build with great interest

                Just wondering at the moment, what motor or motors will be suitable?

                I don't recco the Brushless option as they are not noisy and angry enough!

                Capt Bob

                Edited By Colin Bishop, Website Forum Moderator on 22/05/2014 17:49:58

                #49050
                lnvisibleman
                Participant
                  @lnvisibleman

                  Paul

                  That looks an absolute beauty ! If plans become available, will it be possible to rescale them to make a slightly smaller version ? I think she would make an excellent next model for me but 5 ft. is a bit too big. I need to get down to around 4 ft. as my Lorraine is just a little too large for me to handle. Age and infirmity is a bugger !!

                  Mike

                  #49051
                  Bob Abell 2
                  Participant
                    @bobabell2

                    Hi Paul

                    Thinking about a suitable motor for your VGC……Mmmmmmmm?

                    How about two big motors, 750's or 900's…….Mounted in a vee configuration with a nice chunky timing belt connecting both motor shafts to a common drive shaft down below?….Ball bearing pillow blocks included

                    It would look very impressive, especially if the wiring went to a nice junction box and the whole lot mounted on a sturdy Ali chassis!

                    Like the idea?

                    Bob with his Engineers hat on

                    #49052
                    lnvisibleman
                    Participant
                      @lnvisibleman

                      Paul (and all readers )

                      Ignore that last question !! I can of course print them out at any scale I want having done the appropriate maths. I did say something about age and infirmity, now I need to add senility !

                      Mike

                      #49053
                      Paul T
                      Participant
                        @pault84577

                        Its great to see so many questions:

                        Colin: It is currently fitted with twin 312 HP Yanmar 6 cylinder diesels

                        t1-29engineroom.jpg t1-30enginesdetail.jpg

                        I don't know what she was fitted with when built but looking at the engine room space I would presume that she sported a pair of large petrol units.

                        Martin: I wanted to use 1:12 scale so that I could reproduce some of the more intricate details and of course I can get lots of scale interior fittings from dolls house suppliers. The change to metric is simply so that I can specify off the shelf timber sections which will make the process easier for those who build using my plans.

                        Ashley: Imperial is to complicated for the young uns to follow whereas most of us more mature chaps are fluent in both types of measurement.

                        Bob: You don't have to be sad as you are welcome to jump in at any time but I would be worried about you manhandling such a large and heavy model down those stairs. As for motors I expect to fit a nice pair of 600 > 700s that can run slowly but be powerful enough to provide headway against a stiff current but I do like your twin V arrangement idea.

                        Mike: Your sanity isn't in question as Its not that easy to rescale plans, whilst the overall sizes might reduce nicely the rescaling process produces some very odd sizes for frame and ribbing. To make things easier I might produce the plans in two sizes i.e. one at 5ft and one at 3ft (but I am open to suggestions about the smaller size)

                        #49054
                        Dave Milbourn
                        Participant
                          @davemilbourn48782

                          **LINK**
                          I'm assured that more of these are on their way. Two of them with 50-60mm 4-blade props would be about perfect on 12v. And "yes please" to the three footer, Paul. 1/16 scale would make it just over 41" which is fine for me. Two 555 motors will do nicely for that size.
                          As for Imperial vs Metric, I tend to think in Imperial but work in Metric.
                          Dave M

                          #49055
                          Paul T
                          Participant
                            @pault84577

                            Hi Dave

                            Thanks for the link, I have been looking at something similar on ebay (china) but more expensive than the component shop.

                            Paul

                            #49057
                            Paul T
                            Participant
                              @pault84577

                              t1-02bow.jpg t1-06transom.jpg

                              t1-26aftcabin.jpg t1-23galley.jpg

                              t1-19forecabin.jpg t1-28galleyaccessdeckhouse.jpg

                              A few more images to wet the appetite.

                               

                              Edited By Paul T on 22/05/2014 19:36:01

                              #49058
                              lnvisibleman
                              Participant
                                @lnvisibleman

                                I voted for UKIP so I guess I must be imperial devil

                                Just as well that I have an abacus for convertions.

                                #49060
                                lnvisibleman
                                Participant
                                  @lnvisibleman

                                  I see that those 775 motors produce 31w so my 12v 200w motor should be just good enough for the 1/16 version.

                                  Mike

                                  #49061
                                  Peter Fitness
                                  Participant
                                    @peterfitness34857

                                    Now that's my kind of boat Paul. I will follow this build with great interest.

                                    Peter.

                                    #49062
                                    Martin Field 1
                                    Participant
                                      @martinfield1

                                      Odd, my post has disappeared!

                                      Martin

                                      #49064
                                      Paul T
                                      Participant
                                        @pault84577

                                        Martin
                                        What did you say?
                                        Did you press the wrong button?
                                        Paul

                                        #49066
                                        Amy jane September
                                        Participant
                                          @amyjaneseptember49770

                                          That's going to be quite some labour of love, Paul. I'm sure the results will be quite spectacular! consider me subscribed to this thread…

                                          PS As one of the 'young un's' I also tend to think in imperial, and often work in both. (we've been metric here since '67)

                                          #49068
                                          Martin Field 1
                                          Participant
                                            @martinfield1

                                            Paul,

                                            I think it was something to do with the insides being a bit disappointing, but I can't recall now! Proving I can't be one of the young 'uns, I suppose<G>

                                            No matter.

                                            Martin

                                            #49073
                                            Paul T
                                            Participant
                                              @pault84577

                                              Starting the design.

                                              I am often asked how do I start a design.

                                              In this case it is fairly simple as I take some photos of the subject (as square on as possible) and using an aspect ratio button on the CAD adjust the size of the images until the subject in each image is roughly the same size.

                                              vgc photo adjustr1.jpg

                                              Then using the freehand facility on the CAD I trace them!

                                              Its very unscientific but it does give me the rough sizes and shapes necessary to begin the drawings.

                                              Paul

                                              Edited By Paul T on 23/05/2014 14:40:19

                                              #49074
                                              lnvisibleman
                                              Participant
                                                @lnvisibleman

                                                So what about the bit in the wet stuff? How do you do that part ?

                                                Mike

                                                #49075
                                                Paul T
                                                Participant
                                                  @pault84577

                                                  Hi Mike

                                                  If I cant get photos or actual measurements of the lower hull

                                                  t1-08fromabove.jpg t1-07ashore.jpg

                                                  Then it becomes a mixture of experience, reference books and research on the tinternet where I look for images of similar craft. Luckily this type of boat is fairly standard below the waterline so there is a little scope for 'making the bits fit'

                                                  Another design trick that I will be using on this project is not to make an exact scale copy of the Sea Dog as this will just bog me down in getting critical details correct. I will be making a generic style of the type that will look similar in many ways but will allow me to 'fudge' some of the more difficult details and make the model easier to build.

                                                  vgc 3d view.jpg

                                                  The generic design will roughly follow these concept drawings, as you can see there is a strong similarity to the Sea Dog but this design being squarer, boxier and lacking some of the longer curves will be far easier to build.

                                                  Paul

                                                  Edited By Paul T on 23/05/2014 16:50:05

                                                  #49076
                                                  Martin Field 1
                                                  Participant
                                                    @martinfield1

                                                    I have some old Marinecraft Models that look just like your drawing!

                                                    Don't simplify it too much and lose the essence of these lovely old craft.

                                                    Martin

                                                    #49077
                                                    Paul T
                                                    Participant
                                                      @pault84577

                                                      Don't worry Martin, we will strike the correct balance between style and ease of build.

                                                      But before we start with the detailed drawings there is an important decision to make:

                                                      Should the 5ft hull be designed as a single unit or split into two sections.

                                                      There are many pros and cons to each choice and the decision will directly influence how the ultimate design is drawn.

                                                       

                                                      Edited By Paul T on 23/05/2014 18:00:02

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