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  • #14791
    Andy Hustler
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      I’m thinking of making a q ship for my next project  but dont relly know where to start  so any help would be welcome as i know nothing about them .

      many thanks

      Andy

      #14795
      ashley needham
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        @ashleyneedham69188

        Andy. Google "q ships" and pick a suitable vessel type and obtain plans for something similar..the guns were hidden of course behing fake cargo and behind hatches….it would be fun to have a button and reveal them all at once when in the water,  even better with a water squirty arrangement !!!  I believe one of the ships morred in London used to be a Q ship at one time. chrisanthimum, or the other one ???

        (my spelings terible)   Ashley

        #15087
        andrew hustler
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          @andrewhustler

          thanks ashley i willhave a look

          #15154
          JC Uknz 1
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            @jcuknz1

            I’m sure the kids would love it at an exhibition …. remember at one of ours the operator of the tug with fire pumps sprayed an Oriental Genttleman and he didn’t quite know how to react … not very good public relations I thought.on our part.

            #15162
            andrew hustler
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              @andrewhustler

              Could of been an accident,wrong place,wrong time or an eldery ship owner with an axe to grind from the past.BUT we wont go in to that,those pumps must have been powerfull or the gentin question very close !!

              #15167
              JC Uknz 1
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                @jcuknz1

                The pumps are quite strong .. fine nozzle …. 6<8ft reach …. and the pond is a tarpaulin filled with water at a bi-annual boating and outdoors exhibition and the public are inches from the models … we have to be careful we don’t sail too close to young children with touchy fingers or others a bit older with thoughts of causing mayhem

                #15168
                Paul T
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                  @pault84577

                  Hi Andy

                  I don’t know if this archive will be of any use but try http://www.the-blueprints.com 

                  I do know that this site has some info on Q ships http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/q_-_ships.htm 

                  Of course there is always the Royal Naval archive http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive.org.uk

                  Let me know how you get on.

                  Paul

                  #15175
                  JC Uknz 1
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                    @jcuknz1

                    I don’t think you will find much of use in those links, I couldn’t anyway, sorry FC.

                    I have a book about Cruiser HK33 which was a German commerce raider which operated in a similar manner to the British Q-Ships. Written by HJ Brennecke “Ghost Cruiser HK 33” published by William Kimber 1954. The ship was also know as ‘The Pinquin’.

                    Sadly there is just one rather distant shot of her and a stern quarter view as frontis piece. I know from the book that she changed her profile from time to time to avoid alarming her victims and she looks somewhat different in the two shots ….

                    http://www.modelboats.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/images/member_albums/2690/HK33_side_viewweb.jpg

                    http://www.modelboats.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/images/member_albums/2690/HK33_Stern_quarterweb.jpg

                    I’m pretty sure from reading way back that one or more of the Q-Ships was a wooden sailing vessel who when the sub surfaced to sink her by gubfire .. torpedos were expensive and limited supply aboard …a ‘panic crew’ would abandon ship hoping that the U-Boat would close for a closer look and be sunk by the gun crew left aboard. The Q_Boats gun was disguised as deck cargo, timber, which folded down for action.So I guess you could use any small ship of the period and midify it as did the crews .

                    #15176
                    ashley needham
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                      @ashleyneedham69188

                      I think JC has it to rights there, I doubt there was any set standard of modifications, and when you think about it, there would not have been anyway or the germans might start to recognise them. There are a few more books about q ships around, but I am betting all you will see in these pictures are shots of small typical merchant ships. Ashley

                      #15179
                      Paul T
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                        @pault84577

                        As with everything else in life what you get out of an archive is proportionate to the effort that you put in, I usually find that if a source of information is apparently lacking in specific details that it can usually point you in the right direction and in that way assist with your search. I suppose it all depends upon how experienced you are in doing archive searches. 

                        #15180
                        Bob Abell 2
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                          @bobabell2

                          The sailing ship that JCK is referring to was HMS First Prize and it sank U  93

                          Here`s the story…….http://qships.freeservers.com/U93meetsPrize.htm

                          Bob

                          #15184
                          andrew hustler
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                            @andrewhustler

                            I’ve got a couple of old books here called The Great War illustrated and i will have a look at these as well as all your recommendations i was thinking that i may be able to use a st of plans for an old cargo ship ihave i think it was the Esconda.Gentlemen any thoughts .

                            Andy

                            #15186
                            JC Uknz 1
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                              @jcuknz1

                              Anyway it has started me thinking, I have the small freighter which I carry in my hands [drwg here] and perhaps a deck cargo, a container?, and I have a pump for a windscreen, was thinking of using it as a bow thruster, and a gun from way back when my son and I played wargames ……ifood for thought 

                              The freighhter was to have been an Isle Minesweeper but I funked the detailed superstructure and just used the hull another way. Two versions so far …..

                              #15305
                              merlin
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                                @merlin

                                 Andy

                                There is a book published recently which tells the story of the Q ships in WW1 there are a few piccies, but the book is an interesting read with plenty of info about  Q operations which if you read carefully will give clues to placement and disguises for weaponry.   As far as I know there are no plans for weapon  placement info, as all such arming was top secret and usually carried out by the crew in secret locations for obvious reasons.  There is also a book about the german raiders who also used disguised merchant vessels, I have listed both below

                                Smoke and Mirrors – Q ships against the subs WW1   Deborah Lake   ISBN 0-7509-4605-9 Sutton Publishing Ltd

                                The Kaisers Pirates-German surface raiders WW1   John Walter  ISBN 1-85409-136=0 Arms & Armour Press

                                 Hope this is of some help          Merlin 

                                #6480
                                Andy Hustler
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                                  @andyhustler32076

                                  Q Ship info

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