Ripmax Saturn 2.4gh

[RichyParticipant @richy]

I am considering coming out of the middle ages( 27Mhz )and going digital, being on a limited budget, I have two setups in mind, 1) Planet T5 or 2) Ripmax Saturn, both are within my price range, and I am leaning towards the Ripmax Saturn as my local model shop is selling this at a reasonable price, and I like to keep my local shop in business whenever possible. Does anyone have any advice or comments about these two systems.

[RichyParticipant @richy]

[Ian GardnerParticipant @iangardner62867]

Richy,

I only have experience of the Planet and have found it excellent and very easy to bind. One consideration might be the cost of receivers- you may only want one transmitter but are sure to want extra receivers. The Planet ones are reasonably cheap- don't know about the others. Let us know what you decide, and if you go for the Saturn, tell us what you think- it all helps!

PS Having said that I'm a great believer in supporting your local shop as far as possible- even to the point of paying a bit more than on the internet- you are lucky to have a local shop these days.

Ian

[RichyParticipant @richy]

Ian,

Thanks for your reply, I went and bit the bullet and bought the Saturn 6 setup from local shop + an extra receiver for £19.99, The TX & RX Set was £54.99. I have set up both recievers and paired them with the transmitter, the whole process took about 5 minutes for both receivers and the instructions were clear and straightforward to follow. I'm off to the Pond this afternoon to try out one of my boats. So far, I am please with my purchase.

[Ian GardnerParticipant @iangardner62867]

That'sgood -glad you're pleased with the new radio and I expect your local shop owner appreciates the business. So many model shops have gone nowadays it's always nice to have one where you can get bits and pieces and get advice. My local shop, although geared up almost solely for flyers, is still a useful place to pick up materials, paints,batteries, radio and accessories. The proprietor is very knowledgeable and I find his advice is often invaluable- so I try and support him where I can.

Incidentally, I also passed 40meg completely, going from 27meg to 2.4.

Regards…Ian

Edited By Ian Gardner on 01/09/2012 11:45:14

[SoupParticipant @soup]

Isn't the Saturn just a rebadged Planet?

 

Spot the renovation of an old thread,  Mind you 6 months isn't much.

Edited By Soup on 27/03/2013 17:20:58

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Isn't the Saturn just a rebadged Planet?

I'm not so sure.
The Futaba 6J has dual system transmission options S-FHSS and FHSS. While certain add-on devices (e.g. ACTion P94) will work OK with the S-FHSS system, they don't want to know the FHSS signals. The P94 works fine with the Planet T5 but I see that the Saturn 6 is advertised as a FHSS set. Unfortunately I can't find any reference to the system used by the T5 but, on the basis of what I've just explained, it's unlikely to be FHSS. – or at least what Futaba call FHSS.

Wasn't it all much simpler when we had crystals and flew flags?

Dave M

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Dave

If you are not sure what chance do we mere mortals stand.

Can you recommend a decent, value for money (not necessarily cheap) modern 6 channel system.

Paul

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Hi ,

Theres only one SPEKTRUM……. ………Larry….

[SoupParticipant @soup]

Posted by Soup on 27/03/2013 17:16:05:

Isn't the Saturn just a rebadged Planet?

They certainly look different. When I was in a model shop (Marionville models, Edinburgh http://www.marionvillemodels.com/ ) the chap was talking about Planet gear saying it wasn't the best but it was certainly popular with boaters and was cheap. Ideal I thought then he handed me a Saturn radio I didn't associate the name change at the time but later thinking about it I assumed Saturn was just the Ripmax distributed 'version' of the Planet. So now I am not so sure myself that a Saturn is just a rebadged Planet but certainly it is sold in the same sort of quality/price bracket. And I would assume that they have similar technologies.

 

@Dave I didn't think it was simpler in the days of crystals[1] . Only six (unless you went for splits, which I wouldn't fancy with anything moving at speed). 2.4 is (IMHO) better for lots of models being operated at once with no (well very few) concerns re interference etc.

 

[1]

{mode = pipe n slippers}

Back in the days of EVERYTHING being on 27 before all this 35 and 40 modern nonsence.

{/mode}

 

 

 

 

 

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[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Posted by Paul T on 27/03/2013 19:51:37:

Dave

If you are not sure what chance do we mere mortals stand.

Can you recommend a decent, value for money (not necessarily cheap) modern 6 channel system.

Paul

I've just purchased a Robbe-Futaba F16 on 40MHz. It will not be converted to use microwaves.
With the optional add-on modules it will be sufficient for any model I can envisage me ever wanting to build, and I'm not continually baffled with aircraft or (God forbid) helicopter functions.
For others, go for a Spektrum DX6.
Dave M

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Dave

Thank you for the advice but can you explain the difference between the Robbe and Spektrum and why I would wish to operate my microwave with them.

I am sure that there are many members of this forum who are in the same boat and would appreciate an unbiased duffers comparison guide to the pros and cons of this equipment. For example do we still need flags, is there an increase in range, can the hand sets be expanded to accommodate extra functions and what is this comment about aircraft or helicopter functions.

Sorry to be a luddite but I am firmly fixed in the crystal age and quite frankly its all a bit star trek and I simply don't understand all of this electronic mumbo jumbo.

Paul

Sorry about the pun (Ashley I will explain it later)

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Paul

40MHz is a VHF (Very High Frequency) set. This frequency band is allocated exclusively for ground-based models (including boats). There are 34 separate frequencies available within this band. These are selected by fitting a pair of the apporiate crystals into the Tx and Rx. One Tx can interefere with another Rx on the same frequency so it's important to maintain some discipline. To enable others to identify which frequency you are using, you must fly a green flag from the aerial of your Tx showing the last three digits of the frequency e.g. for 40.695 it would show 695. In Europe there are only 19 frequencies available in this band and these are allocated numbers from 50 to 89 **LINK** VHF signals will pass through water so 40MHz is suitable for model submarines.

2.4GHz is a microwave frequency set. There are 80 channels available within this band and the choice is automatically made by the Tx and Rx as soon as they are powered up. The set looks for and locks onto the first available frequency and no other Tx can interfere with the Rx. As such flags are not required – which is as well because the Tx aerial for 2.4GHz is a very short stubby little affair. 2.4GHz is pretty much a universal frequency and many domestic gizmos use it, as well as model aircraft and helipcopters. These sets are manufactured largely for small RTF model aircraft and so the weight of the receiver is less than a corresponding VHF radio. The frequency of the radio is irrelevant to the operation of the servos, speed controllers etc, so any servo will operate on either frequency band. Microwaves will not pass through water so 2.4GHz is not suitable for submarines.

The range of 40MHz sets is out-of-sight for model boats whereas some of the cheaper 2.4GHz sets have a range limited by the power output of the Tx and typically 100 metres. The "brand" 2.4 sets such as Futaba, Spektrum, JR etc will have the same range as their VHF counterparts unless stated otherwise – always check first!

We have to accept that there are likely 1000 aeromodellers for every boat modeller in the world, so the RC manufacturers aim their products clearly at the larger market. This means that the radio sets may have special functions dedicated to either fixed wing aircraft or helicopters. Such phrases as "crow-braking" and "idle-up" come to mind. These are practically useless for model; boats and IMHO only serve to confuse or irritate. Also beware when buying a multi-channel 2.4 set. You may find that channels 5 and 6 are not true proportional channels but simple On or Off switches. These can only operate a servo to either one end or the other of its travel, or switch on a simple load circuit.

The Robbe-Futaba F series, which are VHF sets, have had all of the aircraft and helicopter functions removed. As far as I am aware they are the only dedicated boat and truck multi-channel radios available. You can add separate modules to the Tx and Rx which will enable you to operate umpteen proportional and switched channels for your boat, although these are by no means budget items. If you want to operate winches, deck lifts, smoke, sounds and half a dozen lighting circuits etc all on the same model then this is the set to go for.

Finally quality: All of the cheaper 2.4GHz sets are made in China, where price is all and quality means little. I have handled several makes and have been unimpreesed with the build quality of all of them. The Spektrum DX5e is the best of these. I have also two Futaba 2.4GHz sets – a 6EXA and a 6J. These are far better made although, of course, they are more expensive.

Hope that covers everything.

Dave M

[Gareth JonesParticipant @garethjones79649]

An excellent summary Dave, I agree with every word, including the last paragraph.

Gareth

(Back at work and too busy to build Shemarah at the moment)

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Posted by Gareth Jones on 28/03/2013 12:53:30:

An excellent summary Dave, I agree with every word, including the last paragraph.

Gareth

(Back at work and too busy to build Shemarah at the moment)

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

(Can't imagine what happened there! Dumb fingers again).

Shame to lose a good modeller to the world of commerce. Gareth – take the word of an expert at retiring. I've done it twice and it gets easier!

Dave M

[Malcolm FraryParticipant @malcolmfrary95515]

Posted by Soup on 27/03/2013 17:16:05:

Isn't the Saturn just a rebadged Planet?

Spot the renovation of an old thread, Mind you 6 months isn't much.

Edited By Soup on 27/03/2013 17:20:58

I've been using a Saturn for a couple of years as a step forward from my 2 channel 27MHz stuff. A member of my club had a Planet and we had heard the rumour, so I leant him a spare RX, since a lot of reading on the net had produced a lot of discussion with the conclusion of "dunno". He tried it, it wouldn't bind. Part of the "re-badging" might have included some software changes to make sure that they were not quite compatible.

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