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  • #120290
    Michael Cole 8
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      @michaelcole8

      Fairly Huntsman

      Bought a kit but had to return it.

      It would have costed as much as the kit to complete the model. Quite a list of required items needed listed on the back of the instruction booklet.

      Items not listed at the point of purchase. Disappointed.

      Michael

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      #120293
      Richard Simpson
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        @richardsimpson88330

        Many kits do not include such things as running gear and finishing products as frequently owners want to personalise the model with their own preferences.  Also, of course, some may want all out performance while others might simply be happy with a more sedate speed so, in many cases the manufacturers simply do not include propellers, shafts, tubes etc..

        There again I have built a couple of kits that included a plastic propeller, which was not the best performer by a long way so they were replaced with a brass one.  It could then be argued that I have wasted part of the kit cost so it would have been better not to include it in the first place.

        There is also the angle of course that the additional bits and pieces can be purchased over a period of time, thereby spreading the cost out, with some manufacturers, such as Mobile Marine Models, even spreading the cost of the kit itself over a number of convenient payments.  Lets face it most modellers are not going to complete a kit in a short space of time so spreading the cost over the period of the build works for a lot of people.

        These things should be brought to the attention of the purchaser at the point of sale but, all too frequently, it is assumed the buyer knows what the kit contains.  I would always recommend that the question is asked if the information is not voluntarily provided.

        Even if you scratch build from a plan you are still going to need to buy the same components and materials that the kit was short of as well as building materials, the plan, glues and paints etc. so maybe the kit wasn’t as bad a deal as it initially seemed.

        #120295
        Colin Bishop
        Moderator
          @colinbishop34627

          Sorry Michael, but your £89 has bought the Fairey Huntsman kit. which I can assure you is a well priced and well designed model having built one myself.The SLEC website makes it quite clear what items are needed to complete it as a working model so you could have costed these in at the time of purchase and they are indeed precisely listed on the website. You also need to add the cost of the radio control transmitter and receiver.

          As Richard says, the fitting out of the model can vary according to builder preferences. The recommended setup will give you a good working model but  some modellers may wish to vary the specifications to their own requirements.

          I’m sorry you have been disappointed but unfortunately this is down to to you apparently not noticing the list of items needed to complete the model as set out on the SLEC website. They have done their best to make this clear so the fault does not lie with them.

          Colin

           

          #120301
          Ray Wood 3
          Participant
            @raywood3

            Hi Micheal,

            As the guys have said above , maybe if you had checked in with us before purchase we could have helped ? Your first post on this forum being a complaint I imagine a ready built model would have been better, the demise of the local model shops has left online the only way to go for many 🙁 without the experience of the shopkeeper to guide you.

            Regards Ray

             

            #120302
            Michael Cole 8
            Participant
              @michaelcole8

              Thank you all for your input.

              Collin has missed the point being the List of additional items at the back of instruction booklet of which there are many. You say you built one then you should know what I am referring to. Items you may have readily to hand or accumulated over your modelling years. I and maybe newbies don’t have.

              Regards Michael.

               

              #120303
              Colin Bishop
              Moderator
                @colinbishop34627

                Michael,

                Where did you buy the kit from? If it was direct from SLEC then their advert makes it clear what parts are needed to finish the model: (the same list as on the back of the instruction book)

                https://www.slecuk.com/boat-kits/fairey-huntsman-31

                Looking at other retail suppliers, all those that immediately come up on Google except one (Sussex Model Centre) also list the parts needed to complete the model.

                Colin

                 

                #120304
                Richard Simpson
                Participant
                  @richardsimpson88330

                  Its very easy to dismiss though the fact that all modellers at all different levels of ability and experience, all started with nothing.  I agree what we have now has been built up over many years but we all, at one point in our lives, started with exactly what you have now.  No-one gave us a ready-to-roll fully fitted out modelling workbench.

                  I put my first Airfix kit together when I was around seven or eight years old.  My father was at sea so I was entirely on my own.  It was a 1/600th scale HMS Ajax.  I didn’t paint it, I simply glued it together but I do remember being very proud of the fact that the turrets were free to turn.  How I removed the parts from the sprues and dressed them up I have absolutely no idea, maybe I borrowed the bread knife?

                  When I started doing more models I used my pocket money to buy my first own tool, which was a retractable Stanley knife.  I still have it 50 years later and I still use it daily.

                  The problem we seem to face nowadays is that newcomers to any practical hobby seem to have expectations that are quite unreasonable.  We could debate why that is the case forever but we are still left with potential modellers who have no idea of what to expect when they open the box.  The sad thing is that there are more resources than ever to assist.  As Ray said why didn’t you ask the question here before buying rather than use the forum as a means of complaint?

                  If you want help to get started in the hobby you won’t find many better places than this.  There are many members here willing and able to share advice and guidance with you throughout the selection of models, methods of building, electronics, paints and glues, tools etc..etc..etc..  You just need to ask.  If your first reaction on opening the box is to complain that things are not as you expected and send it back I think you are going to struggle with the hobby.  If you can accept that you could have been better prepared yourself then there may be a chance.

                  #120325
                  Michael Cole 8
                  Participant
                    @michaelcole8

                    I have never purchased a kit before, all the models I have made have been from plans

                    Collin, all the items listed at the back of the instructions are glues, glass fibre, fillers etc, which are not listed on Slec site and add up to a substantial sum. By the way I didn’t buy from Slec.  I think Collin if you still have your instruction sheet you should take another look at it and compare it to that listed on the Slec site. The items you refer to are expected, motors, batteries, prop etc.

                    Richard, I did searches on this site for guidance only a few possibilities came up and number of my searches came back blank. I thank you for your input.

                    I have posted on this site my builds namely Thornycroft MTB, RTTL and Eventide I’m currently working on White Marlin.

                    Perhaps I should have persevered and not given up.

                    Kind regards to you all.

                    #120326
                    Richard Simpson
                    Participant
                      @richardsimpson88330

                      Michael, I have not built one but from everything I have read and heard I believe the new Slec kits are excellent kits.  I’m sure you would have enjoyed building it.

                      I think if you buy the kit again and start to work through it, but only buy additional items as you feel you need them, you will spread the cost over a fair amount of time.  Then, of course you will have started your own collection of useful bits and pieces for future builds!

                      Kits always need a lot more spending on them to get them on the water but spreading the cost out helps a lot.  I recently did a review article for the magazine of the Billing Boats African Queen.  I was ribbed by my club for getting a free model boat and how well I’d done out of it.  When I told them what it cost me in glues and paints, motor, battery, speed controller, receiver and a few personalising bits and pieces they soon lost the enthusiasm.  And that’s not even considering the time it took.

                      Maybe in future don’t rely on doing searches on the forum, they don’t always pick up everything and maybe not as specific as you need.  Ask specific questions, I’m sure you will find that more useful, although you might have to wait a day or two.

                      #120327
                      Ray Wood 3
                      Participant
                        @raywood3

                        Hi Michael,

                        Good luck with White Marlin, my prototype model is now onboard the the real one, and I have made so many friends in the Dunkirk Little Ships Association, such a great hobby to be involved with 🙂

                        Regards RayDLS3 White Marlin Model

                        #120328
                        Colin Bishop
                        Moderator
                          @colinbishop34627

                          FinishedIMG_9544 FinishedIMG_9548 Michael,

                          Just looked at my instruction book. The list is headed ‘Materials used in the building of this model and available on the SLEC website’

                          All the glues, fillers, glass fibre, tools etc are available on the SLEC website but many of them  are not essential and just nice to have such as the Permagrit block and razor plane. While it is useful to cover the hull in GRP tissue it is not mandatory, you can just fill any blemishes or gaps, seal and paint it. If you have several plan builds under your belt then the materials, glues and tools you used for those will enable you to construct the Huntsman. Glues in particular are a personal choice. I don’t use cyano superglue as it gives me an allergic reaction, other people can’t use epoxy for the same reason.

                          The recommended two blade propeller works well but I substituted a brass one which was more expensive but looks and performs better.

                          The Huntsman kit is very cleverly designed designed and goes together extremely well but it is not simply something where you can just glue the parts together together, you do have to build it as with all other model boat kits. In fact standards do vary widely between manufacturers, SLEC are one of the best ones but the offerings from others can involve a lot of skilled work!

                           

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                          #120329
                          Chris Fellows
                          Participant
                            @chrisfellows72943

                            I’m sure my scratch builds of various Faireys including the Huntsman 31 have cost me much more than if I’d bought a kit and I’ve had to cut out and sand all the parts myself!

                            I don’t think that many kits,if any (and certainly at a reasonable price), have all the materials and certainly not the tools required to build the model and even if they did they might not be your choice or contain enough.

                            Chris

                             

                            #120330
                            Michael Cole 8
                            Participant
                              @michaelcole8

                              Very grateful to all for the suggestions and guidance given.

                              Kind regards to all.

                              Michael.

                              #120331
                              Colin Bishop
                              Moderator
                                @colinbishop34627

                                Don’t be discouraged, onward  and upwards!

                                The SLEC Fairey kits are well worth the investment and  make up into very attractive models.Huntsman

                                 

                                #120444
                                ashley needham
                                Participant
                                  @ashleyneedham69188

                                  Michael.

                                  Looking at the picture of the SLEC “extras to complete the kit” list as posted by Colin I can understand why you were a bit miffed at the extra cost involved.

                                  However as has been pointed out, running gear is very often not included and is pricy. A quick calculation for the running gear alone appears to be over 80 quid but is unavoidable. The cheap Bushy Park landing Craft we make (wood cost, 4mm ply, £5) takes 50 quids worth of running gear. As to glues and fillers etc, likely everyone who has posted already has these items, along with tools. Finishing paint mostly has to bought for every model you make, but again, primers etc will be already on the shelf.

                                  I see they include a battery in the list. Anyone who does boating probably has a suitable battery so this cost can be taken out. If of course you don’t have a battery, then not only do you have to buy one, but a charger to go with it.

                                  I would struggle to make landing Craft as an “RTR” for anyone new and owning no boaty bits for less than £120, and that’s with a Hull costing at the most a fiver in materials and 1/4 of a tin of Rustins Acrylic grey primer and some soldiers from a charity shop….you can build 5 or 6 landers from a 4′ by 8′ sheet of 4mm ply.

                                  Ashley

                                  #120746
                                  Michael Cole 8
                                  Participant
                                    @michaelcole8

                                    Hi, building Huntsman or Swordsman boats what angle are the bulkheads or ribs set at. Slec say the bulkheads are not vertical so how are these set up. A tutorial on the model boat mayhem site puts these bulkheads as vertical using an engineering square. As this construction is unclear could someone please help clarify.

                                    Kind regards Michael.

                                    #120751
                                    Colin Bishop
                                    Moderator
                                      @colinbishop34627

                                      Michael,

                                      I built both the review Huntsman and Swordsman kits for the magazine. The frames are not vertical. The relevant part of the instructions reads:

                                      Now slot each of the frames 9-14 into the keel; position this assembly on the deck and glue each of the frames in turn to the deck and keel. Add the transom former 15 across the back of frame 14 (Pic#12). NOTE The frames are NOT at 90 degrees to the deck.

                                      These kits are very accurately engineered and when you slot the respective pieces together everything self aligns. It is very clever. In fact, one method of glueing is to clip all the pieces together and you have a self supporting and correctly aligned structure. Then run Deluxe materials Superphatic glue along all the joins where it ‘wicks in’.

                                      Due to the accuracy, it is essential to follow the instructions exactly or you will be in trouble. All the information is there in the Building and Picture Instructions but not everyone reads them! Big mistake!

                                      Colin

                                      Frames

                                      #120752
                                      Michael Cole 8
                                      Participant
                                        @michaelcole8

                                        Thank you Colin for your reply. I asked because on my previous builds extending to a common datum line ensured accurate build.

                                        I will put the parts together for a dry fit before applying any glue.
                                        <p style=”text-align: center;”>Thank you for your reply. Kind regards Michael.</p>

                                        #120753
                                        Colin Bishop
                                        Moderator
                                          @colinbishop34627

                                          Michael,

                                          Yes, it was a reasonable question and you are right about the conventional approach.

                                          However, the designer of these kits, the late Dave Milbourn and a very good friend of mine, was a very clever man and produced a very accurate interlocking design. I did an initial dry fit too and it worked perfectly. It was a shame to take it apart for glueing!

                                          The only thing to be careful of when making the Swordsman & Huntsman is to correctly carve the balsa bow blocks. This is mentioned in the instructions but it also helps to visit the Fairey Owner’s website:

                                          Home

                                          and also websites offering Fairey boats for sale to get an understanding of what the quite complex shape should look like.

                                          Colin

                                          #120754
                                          Michael Cole 8
                                          Participant
                                            @michaelcole8

                                            Thank you Colin. I will visit that site for ideas.

                                            Many thanks. Kind regards Michael.

                                            #120865
                                            Michael Cole 8
                                            Participant
                                              @michaelcole8

                                              I’ve been looking at the fairey swordsman and am interested to know what the special rudder is. Is it supplied in the kit or has it to be fabricated.

                                              Kind regards Michael.

                                              #120876
                                              Colin Bishop
                                              Moderator
                                                @colinbishop34627

                                                Michael,

                                                I seem to recall that it is a modified rudder to suit the kit. something to do with the rudder stock. However I am away from home at the moment and not back until next Wednesday  so can’t check before then.

                                                Colin

                                                #120932
                                                Michael Cole 8
                                                Participant
                                                  @michaelcole8

                                                  Hi,
                                                  <p style=”text-align: left;”>Thank you for your reply. I would be interested to know more about the rudder.</p>
                                                  Kind regards Michael.

                                                  #120936
                                                  Paul T
                                                  Participant
                                                    @pault84577

                                                    I was proud to call Dave my friend.

                                                    I remember the conversations with Dave whilst he was designing this Huntsman and I was very happy to test build one of the prototypes.

                                                    I couldnt fault his design nor the carefully crafted instructions, the kit was a joy to build and performed very well on the water.

                                                    1480

                                                    RIP Dave

                                                    #120955
                                                    Colin Bishop
                                                    Moderator
                                                      @colinbishop34627

                                                      Back home now and I have checked my original review which confirms what I remembered five years ago and reads:

                                                      The rudder is supplied with an additional alternative brass tube which should be used to place the tiller at the right height inside the model. The rudder servo can be positioned where convenient alongside or behind the battery box depending on what linkage you employ.

                                                      So, basically a standard brass rudder is supplied but with a modified tube. No fabrication is needed. That is what I did on the Model Boats review model.

                                                      Colin

                                                       

                                                       

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