Confused

[Andy HustlerParticipant @andyhustler32076]

I am looking at getting a fleetscale ship next year and torn between two , bismark or nelson .What i want to know is how much for the WHOLE kit .Fleetscale just want you to buy it bit by bit or am i not looking at the site properly ???

best wihes to all

Andy

from cardiff

[Andy HustlerParticipant @andyhustler32076]

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Fleetscale market their products largely as 'semi kits' .Some people just want a hull and will build the rest themselves, others will buy extra components and fittings to supplement the hull but there is always likely to be an element of scratch building required as well.

As you will have seen, buying everything will be quite expensive and still won't give you a complete kit in most cases. You need to plan your project carefully.

Personally I prefer Nelson/Rodney – everyone does Bismarck!

Colin

Edited By Colin Bishop, Website Editor on 19/10/2015 18:33:18

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Andy. I shall say zis only once; You are a silly boy. Just buy a Nelson/Rodney. Do it now. As per Sir Colin.

Get a Rodney and paint it camo all over, deck and all (as was trialled) make a great novel model.

Get the Hull, Guns and other big bits, make the rest

Ashley (shant tell you again)

[Andy HustlerParticipant @andyhustler32076]

Ach ya herr von ashley i shall take zis advice and get von smallpiece to look for the afiore mentioned object but must go now as mimi wants me to help her in the cellar !!!

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Ah yes, the Spanish say we have the most beautiful word in the world in English: 'Seladore'.

Great name to call your yacht….

PS, the Rodney was older that the Bismarck but a better design and was almost solely responsible for reducing her to a wreck. Bismarck looked very elegant and modern but was essentially an update of the WW1 Baden/Bayern design which was all that the Germans had to work with when designing her. A fatal flaw was that essential services such as electrical leads to the turrets were routed above the armoured deck and thus vulnerable to gunfire as had been demonstrated at Jutland. Bismarck was also outdated in not having a dual purpose secondary armament like contemporary foreign battleships which was a great waste of weight and space. She also shared the general weakness of other German ships in having a structural discontinuity at the aft end of the armoured belt so that the stern tended to break off if subjected to stress. (the wreck is sans stern). Bismarck is often hailed as a wondership but in reality she was nothing of the sort and Rodney literally took her to pieces.

Colin

Edited By Colin Bishop, Website Editor on 20/10/2015 23:35:35

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

The other fatal floor was having I believe only three props at the rear, this of course meant that when a ww1 vintage aircraft dropped a ww1 vintage torpedo on the stern and disabled the rudder the ship did not have sufficient power available to effect steering using differential prop control with only 1/3 power available one side, and being close to the centreline..
The (sunk) armoured conning tower is apparently said to resemble swiss cheese from the number of holes in it from the 14" guns of the KG5. As DK Browns book says, the 14 inch weapon was an adequate gun, despite the smaller size.​ Oddly enough the rate of fire from these guns was not all it might appear to be (the smaller gun having a better rate of fire) as the deciding factor in speed of shooting was seeing WHERE the shots fell on the target and adjusting before the next shot….and with flight times of perhaps 20+ seconds….

Andy, I think you are getting characters mixed up. Excusable when you don't pay so much attention to their faces….

Ashley

[Andy HustlerParticipant @andyhustler32076]

Fair do ashley my mind was elsewhere !! but on a serious notecoming up to remembrance day we mustrember the brave german who fought and died not just on tje bismark but all grman ships in both wars and it must have been horrific being on the reciving end of such a hammering .i watch the battle of the river plate the other day on the box and a relative of mine ( great uncle ) was on the new zxeland ship ,the achillies ithink it was , he was training the engine room crew and sortof got caught up in it all

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