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  • #52323
    Amy jane September
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      @amyjaneseptember49770

      Hello all

      Well my new build is under way, a 1/10 scale Matinicus Island Square Sterned Hampton Boat. This is a small, (23' open fishing boat popular in the Casco bay area of Maine USA around 1880s. My model will be of one that has been converted to a motor pleasure boat.

      The hull shape of these boats is quite remarkable for a boat of their time. They have a very long wall sided bow, with the maximun beam well aft, and a very flat run and hard turn to the bilge. The transom has a strong tumble home, which is carried well forward.

      The lines plans below was taken from a boat built at Orrs Island Maine, around 1900, and is a more extreme model of the type. She was strip planked, which is about the only way to single skin plank a boat of this shape.

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      These hulls were popular in the early days of power, as they drove very easily.

      The model will be 29" long by about 7" beam and displace 6 or 7 pounds. Power will be a brushed motor, with a reduction drive and a large flat pitched prop, I want good static thrust, rather than speed. My plan is to simulate what such a boat would be like on the open North Atlantic. The Estuary where I do my boating can get quite rough, and it is my intention to get this little boat out in it! To this end I have deepened the hull slightly and set the prop well in board, for to keep it in solid water.

      Construction will be polystyrene (I have an awful lot of it) with a plastic skin.

      Edited By Amy jane September on 28/09/2014 09:55:36

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      #6980
      Amy jane September
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        @amyjaneseptember49770

        Matinicus Island Boat

        #52324
        Amy jane September
        Participant
          @amyjaneseptember49770

          Frame work, 1/4" plydscf5918 (640x480).jpg

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          Prop tube and shaft is two bits of antenna tube with headless bolts epoxied in each end

          Amy jane

          #52326
          Dave Milbourn
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            @davemilbourn48782

            A-J

            I have a Midway (US) kit-built Boothbay Lobster Boat. The design of the vessel comes from the same area (Maine) and the overall shape is very much like your much earlier version, with the long side walls and broad beam quite a long way aft. It also has a pronounced sheer for running in a heavy swell. My model is almost exactly the same size as yours and uses a brushed Mabuchi 555 motor running a 3-blade Robbe 50mm plastic prop from a 12-cell NiMH supply. Performance is very scale-like. Construction is ply frames with balsa sheeting and two layers of 0.6oz fibreglass cloth with Z-Poxy resin finish. I love rubbing down to a finish, you see…………….. Here's a link to a website with a photo of the box-top model **LINK**
            Unfortunately the kit seems to have been discontinued, which is a great shame. Good luck with your model; I shall be watching with interest.

            Dave M

            #52341
            Amy jane September
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              @amyjaneseptember49770

              Thanks for that Dave.

              I have spent a bit of time in Maine, and enjoyed watching the full sized lobster boats. Camden Harbour is quite a sight! A few of the old timers have survived, Fishing schooners, Friendship sloops, Pea Pods, Banks Dories, and the like.

              Thanks also for the details of your model set up, You have a lot more power than I am planning on. I have a fairly mild 380(ish) motor, running a 2:1 reduction and a 40- 45mm 3 blade in mind, running on 6 cells ni cad. My hull will require a lot less power than yours though.

              Aj

              #52436
              Amy jane September
              Participant
                @amyjaneseptember49770

                Well, a bit more progress.

                The frame has been filled in with blocks of polystyrene…

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                rumour has it there's a boat in there!

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                one side carved to a single chine hull form.

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                both sides done, showing the very long bow section.

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                sanded to a double chine hull. I use the chines to determine the remainder of the hull shape. The one section and the transom are my only reference points, and all shaping is done by eye. Next step is to round the chines off. This model would translate very well to a single chine ply hull, and if I was to do her in wood, that's the way I'd go

                #52438
                ashley needham
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                  @ashleyneedham69188

                  AmyJ. Nice shape that, and by eye. Thats how to do it. Remind me again of how you are going to fill the gaps and what covering you intend to use.

                  Are you using the patent AmyJ glue still?

                  Ashley

                  #52439
                  Amy jane September
                  Participant
                    @amyjaneseptember49770

                    Hello Ashley

                    Thanks, I'm finding this quite an intriguing shape to carve out, shall be interesting to see how she goes!

                    The gaps will be filled with slivers of polystyrene, and the whole thing draped with an old bed sheet, slathered with spoilt milk, acrylic paint, patent AmyJ glue and icing sugar.

                    laugh

                    #52447
                    ashley needham
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                      @ashleyneedham69188

                      Righto. I have long held the view that anything that is waterproof is far game to cover boats in. Sorry to ask, but I have been watching "great British bake-off" lately so have to know if the icing sugar goes on BEFORE the AmyJ gloo or after?

                      I would go easy on the patterned bed sheets though as they always need more layers of paint to cover properly.

                      Leander class frigates had a very similar underwater shape, with a long slim bow and only widening late on. This was to keep speed up in rough weather when sub-hunting, and there was lots of flare at the bow to clear green water away and stop the nose diving.

                      Ashley

                      #52465
                      Amy jane September
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                        @amyjaneseptember49770

                        The icing sugar is in the Ajoop, as a brush on filler. (I'd run out of talcum powder, and the icing sugar was the only powder I had that was fine enough at the time, seems to work ok though, in fact the finish is quite sweet.)

                        The long bow, and fairly deep fore foot, on the Matinicus boat was done to help stop them tramping (lifting the bow out and pounding down) to prevent her from throwing freezing North Atlantic spray around, so a similar concept to your frigate.

                        Aj

                        #52467
                        Bob Abell 2
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                          @bobabell2

                          Hello AmyJ

                          What a novel method of construction?

                          It reminds me of the Galapogos Isles and the Darwin theory!

                          Ie……How modellers develop their skills on remote islands…….Chopping chunks of drift wood etc

                          Now you've discovered ….Icing Sugar!

                          Can't wait for the next epoch!……..Could it be the Southern England's favourite?…….Hardboard?

                          One serious comment, though, AmyJ……….Beware the dust particles when sanding the poly foam!

                          Bob

                          #52473
                          IAN_I
                          Participant
                            @ian_i

                            Hi AJ…

                            Great looking start to the build, look forward to following the design and build process, you sure have some great idea's.

                            Regards,

                            Ian

                            #52481
                            ashley needham
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                              @ashleyneedham69188

                              Bob . I am not sure that they have exotic British woods such as HARDBOARD in NZ, only BongaBonga wood and so forth.

                              I am certain that if AmJ had managed to obtain supplies of this indigenous board her boat would have been twice as fast, almost certain on that one.

                              Ashley

                              #52483
                              Amy jane September
                              Participant
                                @amyjaneseptember49770

                                Good evening all.

                                Thanks for the nice comments ,Ian & Bob. Yes Bob ,I shall head your warning, the polystyrene dust can be quite nasty, when fine sanding.

                                Ashley. I am an old hand with hardboard. The 14' canoe that I've being paddling around for the last few years is built from…….hardboard!

                                laugh

                                #52485
                                ashley needham
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                                  @ashleyneedham69188

                                  Well blow me down. AmyJ hugYou are my hero. All you doubters…the living proof and so on

                                  Bob….what have you got to say about that then..eh?? eh??

                                  Ashley

                                  #52487
                                  Amy jane September
                                  Participant
                                    @amyjaneseptember49770

                                    I shall post a pic for you next week. She lives on the end of the marina jetty, outside in all weather, and is still perfectly sound. (No, she's not fibre glassed and only painted with acrylic house paint)

                                    #52591
                                    Amy jane September
                                    Participant
                                      @amyjaneseptember49770

                                      Here you go Ashley

                                      the hardboard canoe

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                                      On with the model,,,

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                                      The hull has been sanded to the final shape and the first skin added.

                                      The skin is a bit of old bed sheet, cut on the bias, so that it drapes well around the compound curves. It is glued on with home made casein glue, ( heat some skim milk with vinegar to curdle it. Collect the curds and put the in the blender with a pinch of baking soda and water and blend, adding enough water to make a PVA like glue), This dries to a hard plastic skin, but is not water proof. Once dry, it is sanded and a second layer added. Whilst the casein is not even a little bit water proof, it is petrol proof. The "liquid plastic" I use is nothing more than all my polystyrene waste dissolved in petrol. When this dries a hard and completely waterproof skin is formed. The next step is to put another layer of cloth on, but this time with the liquid plastic, to form the final waterproof skin.

                                      Ok, so I hear you ask, Why don't she just use epoxy and be done with? The cheapest epoxy I can get is $100 a gallon, and I might just want to build a REALLY BIG model by this method, due the fact I have a REALLY BIG block of polystyrene!

                                      Some more piccies

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                                      Amy jane

                                      #52604
                                      mike farrell
                                      Participant
                                        @mikefarrell21522

                                        Hi Amy what a lovely shape your bringing together ,only a woman would know how to cut on the bias .I asked the wife ,she told me its only used on quality cloths so by that knowledge you will make a quality boat .

                                        Strange to see you building small .Enjoyed last build .Well donewinkMichael

                                        #52606
                                        ashley needham
                                        Participant
                                          @ashleyneedham69188

                                          Mike, that boat might be small, but look at the aircraft carrier deck its sitting on !!!!

                                          Ashley

                                          #52611
                                          mike farrell
                                          Participant
                                            @mikefarrell21522

                                            Hi Ashley missed the obvious ////smileyMichael

                                            #52624
                                            Amy jane September
                                            Participant
                                              @amyjaneseptember49770

                                              Hi Michael, Thanks for the nice comments.

                                              Ashley, That bench is 30' long and 4' wide, so a carrier deck indeed!

                                              #52804
                                              Amy jane September
                                              Participant
                                                @amyjaneseptember49770

                                                Hello all

                                                Busy at work again, so progress has been a little slow. The hull has been filled and sanded and the last layer of cloth is on. This layer needs to be put on with my liquid plastic, to make everything waterproof. The problem is that the liquid plastic don't wet out very well, and it is hard to get a good smooth bond. To over come this, I glued the cloth on with interior acrylic paint. The difference between interior and exterior paint is, that while both are water proof, the interior is permeable, and the exterior isn't. So once the paint is dry a coat of thin liquid plastic is brushed on, and it will soak right through the cloth, and bond it to the layer below.

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                                                Ready to be sanded and the liquid plastic applied.

                                                …till next week….

                                                Aj

                                                #52820
                                                IAN_I
                                                Participant
                                                  @ian_i

                                                  Hi AJ…

                                                  New build is coming along nicely…

                                                  Good to hear your birthday build was a success…wink

                                                  Ian

                                                  #52832
                                                  Amy jane September
                                                  Participant
                                                    @amyjaneseptember49770

                                                    Thanks Ian

                                                    Hopefully I'll be allowed to play with the big boat from time to time!…….

                                                    #52924
                                                    Len Morris 2
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                                                      @lenmorris2

                                                      Hi Amy

                                                      Looking good. Very cute!

                                                      Len

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