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  • #45797
    Amy jane September
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      @amyjaneseptember49770

      …..who may read this forum from time to time, so I can't give their identity away!

      This build is going to be a challenge for me, not so much from the building side, but more from the engineering point of view, so I 've enlisted the help of my good friend Lynn. She is a bit of a bush mechanic, full size boat builder, and r/c aeroplane nut (she's currently teaching me to fly, good fun!).

      Anyway, we have a decent sized speedboat planned. I found my last few models a bit fiddly, so going to a 5 footer this time round. I want it to be fast, so it'll have a petrol engine. Lynn has provided the engine. She has quite a collection, from 25cc to 500cc, both 2 and 4 strokes. I was keen on a four stroke, but the 500 cc was out of the question, and the 3hp too heavy and bulky. in the end we narrowed it down to a choice of two 50cc 2 strokes, a 30 year old ducatti, or a 10 year old Chinese one of unknown make. The Chinese one was smaller and lighter so that what it shall be.

      She will be a classic '40s style.

      Drawings and photo's coming soon

      Regards

      Amy jane

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      #6920
      Amy jane September
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        @amyjaneseptember49770

        A special boat for a special person…..

        #45798
        Bob Abell 2
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          @bobabell2

          Hello Amy Jane

          All the best with your new build, but be very careful with the motor selection!

          Of your available motors, I would say, only the 25cc is suitable

          Looking forward to the drawings and readers comments

          Bob

          #45806
          ashley needham
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            @ashleyneedham69188

            AJ. Ambitious! (hark at me!). You will need a lot of air through the boat to cool the motor, or is the engine fan cooled?

            Ashley PS Paul T is the petrolhead he will soon put Bob straight!

            #45811
            Amy jane September
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              @amyjaneseptember49770

              Hello Gentlemen.

              Bob, I got an email from Lynn, this morning, saying "I told you so"!, once she had read your post. The problem is me I'm afraid, I despise weedeater engines! Lynn says that her one is perfectly reliable, but I just don't like the sound of them, or their finicky pumper carbs, no need for it on a boat, any way! (Put in down to me being a young blond woman!)

              Ashley, the motor I settled on is from a burnt out generator, and yes, fan cooled. It's very quiet and reliable, a bit of a lugger, so with direct drive and a coarse prop, it (hopefully) shouldn't need to scream it's lungs out.

              of course, all opinions are most welcome, either you agree with me or not!

              Amy jane

              #45813
              Amy jane September
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                @amyjaneseptember49770

                Here is a doodle of what we have in mind.dscf5422 (640x480).jpg

                other than being 5' long and 18-20" beam, that"s about as far as the design process has got. I'll carve a 1/4 size half model at some point, and build from that.

                This is the generator Lynn has cannibalised.

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                A local hardware chain used to sell these for about NZ$100 each, brand new. Good little units, this one had 10 years of hard use before the alternator gave up. I bought one second hand for $40, which we use on the launch. (NZ$1 = 52p or near enough)

                #45814
                Amy jane September
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                  @amyjaneseptember49770

                  This is the power plant.dscf5390 (640x480).jpg

                  #45815
                  Bob Abell 2
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                    @bobabell2

                    Amy Jane

                    I admire your energy and ability to see "no problem" with all your projects!……Which is a good start

                    The generator motor may be harmless enough, as they are not high revving and very reliable

                    They also run at a constant speed……How will you get round that?……..You could try an air damper on the intake?

                    How about an easy to build punt shape?

                    You could use it to tow a fishing line……..That would be a novelty!

                    All the best for an exciting New Year…………Bob

                    #45816
                    Bob Abell 2
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                      @bobabell2

                      Amy Jane

                      I admire your energy and ability to see "no problem" with all your projects!……Which is a good start

                      The generator motor may be harmless enough, as they are not high revving and very reliable

                      They also run at a constant speed……How will you get round that?……..You could try an air damper on the intake?

                      How about an easy to build punt shape?

                      You could use it to tow a fishing line……..That would be a novelty!

                      All the best for an exciting New Year…………Bob

                      #45819
                      Amy jane September
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                        @amyjaneseptember49770

                        Hello Bob

                        Thanks for the vote of confidence. The engine has a mechanical governor on it which normally holds the motor to about 3,000rpm. this can easily be disconected and the motor throttled directly from the carb. This motor should run happily, 1500-5000 rpm. We are planning a simple clutch arrangement, working off the radio. ( Yes, there will be a proper radio in this one!) We are hoping for a scale speed of 30 knots, so a sword fish mayhaps?wink

                        All the best to you and yours for the new year too, If we get this project altogether, it should prove exciting!

                        #45820
                        Bob Abell 2
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                          @bobabell2

                          An inertia clutch would be OK……Radio not required

                          Bob

                          #45823
                          Amy jane September
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                            @amyjaneseptember49770

                            Actually, that was one of Lynn's arguments for the weedeater, it had a clutch already fitted! (oh why do I have to be so stuborn???)

                            #45849
                            Amy jane September
                            Participant
                              @amyjaneseptember49770

                              I spent a bit of time in the design office today, which for me means a block of wood, a sharp hatchet, chisel and rasp! Pretty happy with the design at this stage, but I will leave it kicking around for a couple of days, just to be sure.

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                              The next stage will be to lift off patterns for the ply sides and bottom, (yes, it is do-able in sheet ply) and then put it to the saw for the sections.

                              Mean while, Lynn is setting up the engine, drive shaft etc, (and no doubt muttering about me making her life difficult!) and will email photos in due course. (boat building by corospondance, she lives about 40 miles away!)

                              #45850
                              Bob Abell 2
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                                @bobabell2

                                Hello Lady and Lynn

                                How`s this for a super idea?……..

                                Buy Paul`s plan of Ellie, for a fiver, and scale it up……Twice full size!

                                It`ll be the right length too!

                                That would be a real feather in your caps with a large website following!

                                Go for it

                                Bob and Paul

                                #45851
                                Aestus57
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                                  @aestus5782081

                                  Many many years ago, we used to use engines like that in "straight runner" boats, and had quite a bit of success making water cooled jackets to slip over the engines head. You always had to turn off the air cooling fins in the lathe. Something to think about though. Good Luck with it. wink

                                  #45860
                                  ashley needham
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                                    @ashleyneedham69188

                                    Amy, is that a square back or tapered?? an unsquare rear end will likely sink rather than keep on the surface and plane, needs to be wide and flat preferably. If the rear end sinks (due to advancing years) end it is tapered then adding trim tabs or shelves to rectify this will be tricky. Depends how fast you want to go of course, but with a mighty 50cc oriental engine (of unknown make) it might just be quite a mover.

                                    Personal opinion, from what I have seen.

                                    Ashley

                                    #45869
                                    Amy jane September
                                    Participant
                                      @amyjaneseptember49770

                                      Hello all,

                                      I Think a double scale Ellie would be quite something, and would certainly attract quite a following. I'm not familiar with a fullsize broads cruiser, How scale would she be at 30 knots? (perhaps with a slowmo top?)

                                      Aestus57, A cooling jacket would certainly make the engine more compact, it's quite a bulky unit what with the fan shrouding and all. I think cooling will be adequate though, the generator never overheated in still air, and with proper ducting there should be plenty of air flow. (we'll leave the fan and shrouding on of course!).

                                      Ashley I appreciate your concern about by rear end, but my years are not advanced enough for sagging to be problem!

                                      As for the boat, yes she is double ended. This was once fashionable in full sized runnabouts and seemed to work ok, Hopefully I've designed the stern full enough! The proof of the pudding shall be in the eating, but I cannae eat it till I've made it!

                                      I realise that I'm making things more difficult than they need be, but like I say, a challenge!laugh

                                      #45878
                                      Bob Abell 2
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                                        @bobabell2

                                        Hello Amy and Lynn

                                        This is how a six foot Ellie would look

                                        You could build the hull and put your own design top on it

                                        Bob

                                        big launch.jpg

                                        #45879
                                        Amy jane September
                                        Participant
                                          @amyjaneseptember49770

                                          That would be quite something Bob, thanks but I think we shall proceed with our plan, for better or worse!

                                          Ashley, for your viewing pleasure, here are a couple of shapely rear ends, feel free to compare them to mine!smile o

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                                          Aestus 57, we would be interested in a some more details of your boats , if you would be so kind, (length, weight engine size etc)

                                          I say, Bob how did you get that photo that size? That's clever.

                                          Lynn has been hard at work and emailed through her first lot of photos. She decided that she would set the engine and shaft all up on a length of 8"x 2", which I could then shape to suit the hull.

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                                          The muffler removed, the alternator housing cut down to lower the engine a bit, and a pattern made for the prop tube angle. (I'm still trying to convince her to join the forum and put her own posts up).

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                                          Skeg cut out, and split. the bore was then chiseled in.

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                                          The 8×2 was also split, and chiseled.

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                                          The after end was carved to shape, the fore left unfinished, so the whole thing could be clamped in the vise, for the rest of the work.

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                                          all glued up.

                                          Amy jane & Lynn

                                          #45912
                                          ashley needham
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                                            @ashleyneedham69188

                                            Amy. That is a large chunk of wood and no mistake.

                                            The boat pictures are very nice but obviously their rear ends in no way compare etc etc. There appears to be more going on underwater than the canoe stern suggests for these snaps.

                                            Our man Peter has had an issue with rear end sink on his very nice canoe stern`d "gentleman's runabout" but this may have been partly caused by the cut up at the rear, yours is flat so that should help. As I have said before, making them is easy..getting them to work..

                                            Does the chauffeur (the one for the MERC) assist in the boat building?

                                            Ashley

                                            #45922
                                            Amy jane September
                                            Participant
                                              @amyjaneseptember49770

                                              You're too kind Ashley.

                                              The way I see it, it's all about getting the fore body (of the boat that is!) to match the after body. Fine stern-fine bow and vice versa. That combined with a moderate beam, and along with a long straight run. Not creating a great wedge of water for the boat to try and climb up over in the first place, greatly reduces the tendancy for the stern to squat.

                                              You are right, the building is the easy part!

                                              The Mercedes is Lynn's, so yes! (I drive a sad old Honda) Lynn and her partner have 5 cars between them, 3 of them hers! (Cars are cheap here)

                                              #45930
                                              Amy jane September
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                                                @amyjaneseptember49770

                                                Hello again.

                                                The rural branch has been hard at work, the city branch less so.

                                                A temporary shaft was centred and wedged (this shaft is mild steel, we're still waiting for a s/s one to come wandering along), and the lower bearing carved to shape and screwed in.The timber used is our native pohutukawa, a hard, tough timber with an interlocking grain. We regularly use this timber for fullsized yacht fittings, including block sheeves.

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                                                The inboard end gets a similar treatment.

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                                                The engine will then be lined up and Lynn will send me the location of the engine mounts. I will then cut the half model at the right place and send her a drawing of the frames which the engine mounts will be incorparated into. Once the engine is mounted, I'll take over the building. The remaining frames will be mounted on the 8×2, and any thing that is not pure boat carved away.

                                                About all the city branch has managed to day is the making of the pattern for the ply side panels

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                                                This is done by contact gluing a sheet of card around the half model and trimming to shape. (and pulling it off again before the glue fully hardens) This allows me to precut the boat sides, but more importantly ensures I haven't carved in any compound curves. (It would be more correct to use a bit of tin sheet, but the card works out ok in practice) The same process is used for the bottom panels.

                                                Amy jane

                                                #45933
                                                Bob Abell 2
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                                                  @bobabell2

                                                  Hello Amy and Lynn

                                                  This is a very interesting build, due to the insanity of it all!

                                                  Why have you started the build with 8" x 2" planks of lumber?

                                                  I can`t believe it, when 1/4" ply would have done the job

                                                  Bob watching with a dead codfish look

                                                  #45954
                                                  Amy jane September
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                                                    @amyjaneseptember49770

                                                    Good Evening Bob.

                                                    (Oooo…. If Lynn reads that you'll be in trouble….).wink

                                                    I strongly suspect that you think we are off on a wild goose chase with this one, and are trying to save us from a lot of wasted time and effort, which is really sweet of you. I know a lot of what we are doing may look non sensical at this point , but there is madness behind our methods! Lynn's methods are strange, but they do work,most of the time at least. (When the plastic radiator header tank on her mercedes broke up, she rebuilt it from silicone rubber and old pantyhose, that was five years ago, and has never given a moments trouble since, she also made the bonnet ornament in the photo,after some vandal ripped it off, so I have considerable confidence in her.) I do value and consider your coments, so keep watching, keep posting, feel free to roll your eyes and mutter into your coffee, we may just yet turn that dead cod fish look into one of a stunned mullet!

                                                    Kind regards

                                                    Amy jane

                                                    Ps what do the others think?

                                                    Are we-

                                                    a little ecentric?

                                                    barking mad?

                                                    stark raving bonkers?

                                                    (be honest)laugh

                                                    #45957
                                                    IAN_I
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                                                      @ian_i

                                                      Hi Amy and Lynne..

                                                      >>

                                                      Ps what do the others think?

                                                      Are we-

                                                      a little ecentric?<<

                                                      Probably but this is usually how brilliant ideas are formed.

                                                      Hover craft …

                                                      Bouncing bomb…

                                                      Concord…

                                                      Keep going we will enjoy the journey with you ,

                                                      thanks,

                                                      Ian

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