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    Martin Field 1
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      @martinfield1

      I was just browsing the Editorial in the magazine ad. by somebody called Paul Freshney and was shocked to read the rubbish, "canal barge". For heaven's sake, if the leader of a specialist magazine for model boats can't get it right what hope have we of ever getting the public to regard them correctly?

      A barge, is over 14 feet wide. The quite obviously narrow subject matter of the free plan is equally obviously a boat. A term used by canal people to refer to any craft that will fit the narrow locks used on some canals. Seven feet wide and up to about 13 feet -6 is a boat or, if you want and it's around 7 feet wide, a narrow boat. Just canal boat will do, but NEVER a barge!!! I

      I haven't a care in the world about Warships, Nelson's stringbags or endless tugs, but I would make damned sure to name any of them or their bits and bobs correctly if I were writing about them. If I were an Editor, I would be even more concerned. To make such a common and frankly ignorant mistake is unforgiveable. if you can't be accurate about such a popular subject, please, be silent!

      Martin

      #4337
      Martin Field 1
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        @martinfield1
        #66431
        Dave Milbourn
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          @davemilbourn48782

          For heaven's sake, if the leader of a specialist magazine for model boats can't get it right what hope have we of ever getting the public to regard them correctly?

          Rather begs two questions, Martin.

          1. Why would the general public seek detailed information about the nomenclature of full-sized river traffic from a model boats internet forum? and

          2. Why suffer apoplexy about it anyway, especially when many folk still refer to ferries and aircraft carriers as "boats"?

          Did you never make a similarly trivial mistake? Would you like me to comb all your posts to find one?

          I know Paul Freshney personally. He is the Editor of Model Boats magazine and a fine scale modeller (a previous National Champion) and to call him ignorant is not only wrong but offensive.

          Wind it in, mate – there's no room here for stuff like that.

          DM

          Edited By Dave Milbourn on 10/07/2016 18:57:46

          #66439
          ChrisB
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            @chrisb29081

            As usual, the sage considered observation and advice of DM pours cooling water on a potentially overheating post!

            Chris

            #66440
            mark69
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              @mark69

              Martin can't believe how narrow minded your being and once again you need to be corrected read a dictionary and by definition everything you have written is wrong, maybe it's time to join in or jog on !!……mark

              #66444
              Charles Oates
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                @charlesoates31738

                Blimey Martin, you got very cross there. May I respectfully suggest that a better way to to raise this sort of issue is to raise it and question it. Getting personal about a skilled and respected member is not ideal.

                I hope you can see this and blush,

                your posts are valued, just not that last one.

                Chas

                 

                Edited By Charles Oates on 10/07/2016 23:52:38

                #66447
                Ray Wood 3
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                  @raywood3

                  Hi Martin

                  I am disappointed to see your criticism over such a small matter, when taken in context of the efforts made by the Editor to bring you such a monthly good read. As you incorrectly described my latest design Invictus of Allington as a "Free Plan" its not ! see what I mean ?

                  Regards Rayinvictus of allington oct 15 005.jpg

                  #66449
                  Bob Abell 2
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                    @bobabell2

                    Nice Barge, Ray

                    Bob

                    #66451
                    Ray Wood 3
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                      @raywood3

                      Thanks Bob

                      I like some variety, I'm lucky to have the river Medway at the bottom of my road, plenty of subjects for modelling

                      Regards Ray

                      #66453
                      Bob Abell 2
                      Participant
                        @bobabell2

                        Hello Ray

                        The River Medway!……….That brings back a few memories of my working days at………..

                        CAV Rochester………Alas, gone forever!

                        I can clearly remember the Fire Barges full of water for emergencies

                        Bob

                        Edited By Bob Abell on 11/07/2016 10:57:32

                        #66456
                        Ray Wood 3
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                          @raywood3

                          Hi Bob

                          We are close to the Allington Lock, near Maidstone the only emergency here would be if the Malta Inn runs out of beer ! also my test pool

                          Regards Rayeden 120516 014.jpg

                          #66467
                          Martin Field 1
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                            @martinfield1

                            As a long term user of Britain's canal system and owner of an historic wooden ex-working boat it is extremely annoying to read the same old mistakes over and over again. if you are going to feature a canal boat in a magazine at least get the terminology right. Whoever you are.

                            It matters to all serious canal fans and perhaps if more people showed a concern for such things the magazines might be more readable.

                            Since you lot clearly couldn't give a toss, I'll permanently leave you all to your ignorance and bloody good riddance…both ways, I'm sure. If it's possible, kindly remove all my posts.

                            Martin

                            #66468
                            Paul T
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                              @pault84577

                              Hello Martin

                              The subject of canal boats is obviously very important to you so perhaps instead of getting upset at well meaning but inaccurate comments perhaps you could take some time and produce a brief article on the subject that other people could use as a 'go to' reference.

                              I can understand your frustration as in my younger days I lived next to the Bridgewater Canal in Lymm I owned a succession of small boats and to pay for them I repaired boats at Hesfords Marine.

                              At the boatyard we often came across some very weird descriptions of boats and equipment, often from chaps wearing captain hats who, having just purchased a fiberglass cabin cruiser, were instant experts in all things canal related.

                              I became used to the wildly inaccurate comments and brushed them off with as much good humour that I could muster and then we would have a laugh in the pub later as we related the latest nugget.

                              I have to say that you have misjudged Paul Freshney, I know him to be an honest and trustworthy person who would not knowingly print something that was either misleading or untrue.

                              Paul

                              #66470
                              Dave Milbourn
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                                @davemilbourn48782

                                Dear Martin Field
                                In case you've been tempted to come back and see what havoc you have wrought then don't bother on my account because I won't even know. I have clicked "Ignore Member" at the foot of your last post and achieved for myself exactly what you wished for i.e. you are now blanked. Let's hope other members do the same. It's the least we can do for you.
                                Good luck in finding sailing companions in March, Cambs, but I suspect you'll need far more luck keeping them.

                                Paul
                                A lost cause, m'duck. Move on.

                                Dave M

                                #66472
                                Colin Bishop
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                                  @colinbishop34627

                                  It takes all sorts! All Paul did as a busy editor was to make the written equivalent of a slip of the tongue. An annoying mistake made with a deadline looming but it is hardly the end of the world and really did not deserve such an aggressive response when, as others have pointed out, a more humorous and good natured reaction would have achieved exactly the same result.

                                  Colin

                                  Edited By Colin Bishop, Website Editor on 11/07/2016 20:35:01

                                  #66473
                                  mike farrell
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                                    @mikefarrell21522

                                    Now then Martin , I for one like to think various boats and style of building are legi, however when I get up on my high horse I make sure my statements are completely right.

                                    So lets get dimension for Narrow boats correct. First the width strictly 6ft 10 ins. Length maximum is 70ft ,

                                    The reasons for these dimensions is due to the standardisation of locks North of Watford max width is 7ft and max length 70ft also as a further need being the (winding holes) used for turning around . The other reason for these dimensions being the efficient use of water, one up one down

                                    If you attempt to take a narrow boat of 7ft wide through most locks you will almost certainly will get stuck at some of the locks on all of the waterways I have passed through . I have built a scale model Narrow Boat in 1/12 scale for my wife . It is 48 ins long and 6ft 10in wide .

                                    Hope that cools down discussionwink Michael

                                    #66475
                                    mike farrell
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                                      @mikefarrell21522

                                      Hi All Sorry for my mistake Last line should read (I have built a scale model Narrow boat in 1/12 scale for my wife .It is 48 ins long and 6ins 10/12 wide) Thanks GarethwinkMichael

                                      #66477
                                      mark69
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                                        @mark69

                                        I've been a boat builder for over 20 years and in that time whether they were yachts,cabin cruisers ,Olympic dinghys or even luxury cattermarans they are all BOATS !! . Martin you got hung up on a simple word typed incorrectly onto the front cover of the mag and now made yourself look very stupid ,had a pop at who ever seems a shame you have taken this action ,after all we are ALL building boats its ONLY the type that matters !!! ……….BYE BYE

                                        #66480
                                        Peter Fitness
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                                          @peterfitness34857

                                          Martin Field's outburst has rather taken me aback, it's not the sort of thing we usually see on the Model Boats Forum. I've followed Dave Milbourn's lead and clicked on "Ignore member", something I've never done before. Perhaps Martin should take a step back and consider his whole attitude or he'll end up having a stroke, it's a hobby after all.

                                          Peter.

                                          #66497
                                          Paul T
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                                            @pault84577

                                            Martin isn't the first to have an explosive outburst

                                            Most of us are of an age where medication, ill health and bereavements have all impacted our lives and I can certainly attest to mood swings following changes in medication.

                                            We have a very friendly forum and irrational outbursts are uncommon, perhaps we should be a little more tolerant and understanding especially when the rant comes from a previously placid and harmonious member.

                                            Paul

                                            #66500
                                            Paul Freshney
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                                              @paulfreshney24971

                                              Dear All

                                              Thank you to all those who wrote kind words about me.

                                              Many readers may not realise, but MB is produced by one person – me, and I do 13 issues per annum. There are no sub-editors or other staff. Steve Stoner who lays out and designs the magazine also does likewise for Model Collector and of course Colin Bishop on a very much part-time basis looks after the website & forum for us all. If it were not for Colin covering when I am away, I could not have the proper uninterrupted holidays that Mrs. F demands.

                                              Generally speaking many of the typo errors are eliminated at various stages in the magazine production sequence, but Spell Check will not pick-up on the words barge or boat and there are only so many hours to read through magazine proofs.

                                              In the case of Ray Wood's Canal Boat, the article and cover are correct – the substitution of Barge for Boat occurs on Page 5. I am sure there are probably other errors elsewhere, but there are in any publication if one looks hard enough, including Government documents I should not be surprised.

                                              I wish you all well.

                                              Paul Freshney

                                              #66501
                                              Bob Abell 2
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                                                @bobabell2

                                                Come on Martin

                                                We`ve had enough argy bargy and handbags now!

                                                Paul F and Paul T have had their say and we hope you will return to the forum with no hard feelings

                                                Afterall, it was only a storm in a teacup

                                                Bob Abell

                                                #66503
                                                David Marks 2
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                                                  @davidmarks2

                                                  Boat, barge, narrowboat……….who cares. I found the article very interesting and certainly would not criticise the author or the editor of MB. My ancestors worked on the canals in the UK for over 150 years and I would certainly not criticise anyone that referred to a narrowboat as a barge. The meaning is clearly there so why bother. I worked in engineering all my life, but when someone refers to a `gear' as a `cog' or a `bolt' as a `screw' it certainly does not bother me. Lastly the people that lived and worked on narrowboats were always referred to as `bargees'.

                                                  #66506
                                                  Paul T
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                                                    @pault84577

                                                    Oddly enough up here int north narrow boats are called barges and have been ever since Brindly built the Bridgewater.

                                                    #66507
                                                    Bob Abell 2
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                                                      @bobabell2

                                                      Most of us would not have noticed the Barge reference in the first place

                                                      It's a pity, Martin posted as he did

                                                      Come back, Martin…….Life is short enough

                                                      Bob

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