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28 February 2009 at 14:56 #18919
Pierre
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@pierre
This is just me, but I’ve never understood the consuming interest in the modelling world for warships. They’re all long, thin and grey! They have various bits sticking out, only an expert can tell the difference! They have 6″ or 12″ armament – whooppee – they look the same!

SA radar,SS radar, sidescan, etc etc …………..who cares?

They serve no useful purpose in this world, they consume precious resouces and they’re boring, boring, boring!!

Dont get me started on submarines…

Pierre -buckling on flak jacket and running for cover!

Ps -no flames please -just because I’m not interested in warships, tell me why you are!
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28 February 2009 at 14:56 #3308
Pierre
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@pierre
What’s the attraction??
28 February 2009 at 16:19 #18920
Paul T
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@pault84577
What is it that the americans say…”duck and cover”….Its a good job that you are so far away or you might have a slightly vexed mob (well 2 of them) outside your house.

Paul (and I thought I was good at upseting people)
28 February 2009 at 17:58 #18925
ashley needham
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@ashleyneedham69188
My views of fishing boats and tugs are moderately well known, they are boring and I can only tell them apart if they are different colours. Like boring blue, boring red, bopring brown, you get the idea. Give me gray anytime, or black, or camo, or white`n`buff or or or anytime. Ashley (for another viewpoint)
28 February 2009 at 20:05 #18930
Rick Fryer
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@rickfryer11539
Long? Thin?? Grey???

Proper warships are short, fat and a delightful combination of black, white and buff…

How could you not like that!

Rick
28 February 2009 at 22:23 #18938
Pierre
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@pierre
Rick – I do like that!! It looks like a 19th century passenger liner – not a gun in sight!

I love sailing ships – I could easily be persuaded to model something like your picture – what is it by the way?

Cheers – Pierre
28 February 2009 at 23:52 #18942
Rick Fryer
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@rickfryer11539
HMS Inflexible (1876-1903) – and she definitely had guns – four 81-ton 16″ muzzle-loading rifles, the heaviest guns of any ship in the Royal Navy. Because of their length, they could not be reloaded from inside the turrets. Reloading was done using hydraulic rams fitted outside of the turrets. To reload the guns, the turret was rotated to align the guns with the rams, and the guns depressed so that the rams could push the charge and shell into it. Loading took between two-and-a-half and four minutes.

She was originally equipped with a pair of masts and yards, but the amount of sail that could be deployed would hardly move the ship and was only there to help exercise and train the crew. The masts and sails were removed after four years in service, and replaced by the military masts shown in my picture

Rick
1 March 2009 at 07:23 #18945
ashley needham
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@ashleyneedham69188
Nice one, Rick. Ashley
1 March 2009 at 08:02 #18953
Paul T
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@pault84577
Pierre

What is wrong with subs? they don’t all look the same, look at M1, and the challange is to make them work 2m underwater.

Ashley

Tugs are great little boats, you should hang your head in shame when you go sailing today.

Paul (keeping the pot boiling)
1 March 2009 at 13:13 #18961
ashley needham
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@ashleyneedham69188
Paul, tug free zone in our house! Took Shorty and the HBA Dv111 Mk1(a) today to the pond. went well, until Berengar broke the tail on the HBA.. I managed to break TWO props on Shorty whilst, er, swiping past the jetty. …..but replaced easily with on-board spares. Ashley
1 March 2009 at 16:59 #18967
Pierre
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@pierre
Hi Rick

I recently bought a second hand book “War at Sea in the Ironclad Age” by Richard Hill. i hadn’t got round to reading it yet but your picture prompted me to look up the “Inflexible”. Apparently she had instructions to ditch all masts and sails if she went into action!! Just as well it took several minutes to load one of those muzzle loaders, I wonder how long it would have taken to ditch the sailing gear? Quite a fascinating book, transition period between sail and steam!

Went sailing today -took classic sailing cutter, modern tug and vintage Slo_Mo_Shun. Oh and an IOM hull that someone wanted to buy. Thought that was a good spread of interests.

Paul, we have several submarine enthusiasts in our club – they dont often submerge their models as the water is extremely murky. So these models spend most of their time cruising on the surface. I admire the ingenuity of these models but the engineering leaves me cold. And yes, apart from superficial differences they do all look the same to me cigar shaped with a conning tower!

Cheers – Pierre
1 March 2009 at 19:56 #18974
Paul T
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@pault84577
Hello Pierre

Re “cigar shaped with a conning tower“

Please find listed below a few photos that might change your mind.

This is a K class boat of WW1 a Royal Naval steam driven submarine (yes steam driven)

Another K class showing the folding smoke stacks.

This is the Royal Navy M1 submarine which featured a battleships 16in gun the worlds first stealth boat and the cutting edge of military hardware in 1920s.

The M1 gun

M2 The Royal Navies try at a submarine aircraft carrier, the plane was stored on a hanger just forward of the conning tower. The bit sticking out is the jib of the recovery crane.

M2 after she sank you can see the hanger and catapult ramp.

Still cold about these craft?

Paul
1 March 2009 at 20:02 #18976
Colin Bishop
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@colinbishop34627
That’s a superb cutaway model showing the gun on M1 Paul. Where is it?

Colin
1 March 2009 at 20:13 #18978
Paul T
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@pault84577
Hi Colin

Go to upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/H…

As a few members know I fully intend to build a large scale model of this boat one day.

Paul
2 March 2009 at 14:30 #18998
Pierre
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@pierre
Hi Paul

JOKE

your pictures seem to represent :

a Deformed cigar, bent in middle, about to sink.

b British home rolled cigar, smoking in the middle.

c ‘MUCHO GRANDO” 16 ” deluxe cigar.

d Cutaway – how to construct your own cigar!

e Cigar being towed by a biplane.

f Blue Whale masquerading as a floating cigar.

Thanks for the pics – DID find them interesting!

Cheers – Pierre
2 March 2009 at 18:39 #19004
Bob Abell 2
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@bobabell2
Hey Paul!

Did the submarine with the aircraft and hanger, ever submerse?…………….Can see myself……………….It must have had a bloomin` good stuffing gland!

Bob
2 March 2009 at 18:43 #19005
ashley needham
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@ashleyneedham69188
Colin, I think the m1 cutaway model is in the Science Museum , along with a whole host of fabulous, not to mention BIG models. Ashley
2 March 2009 at 19:00 #19007
neil hp
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@neilhp
my wife discribed the submarine i built, a ron perrott “Resolution” class.

it sailed once , sank once and spent the rest of it’s time being used as a door stop. when i asked her where i should put it her reply was…………………well it looks like a supposetory………you can shove it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

you guess the rest.

does the name fit….
2 March 2009 at 19:18 #19008
David Meier
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@davidmeier28154
Pierre.

I have just realised why Ashley isn’t worried about his prop shafts leaking. He likes boats that sink! Ha ha ha ha ha . OOh I enjoyed that. Why is it that your own jokes seem so good?

Hey, how come we are talking about submarines under the topic category all things floating anyway?

David.
2 March 2009 at 19:27 #19009
Paul T
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@pault84577
Bob

The M2 did submerge and worked very well but during a training dive the hanger door didnt fully close before the boat went under water and so the boat went down with all hands.

After the sinking of the M1 & M2 the navy gave up on special types.

Pierre

Ha Ha very good (joke)

Paul
2 March 2009 at 19:49 #19011
Pierre
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@pierre
David – please thank your better half for the spell checker and viewer for Mozilla – they both rock!

You’re right, this topic should be shifted to “All things that DON’T float”!

Pierre
14 March 2009 at 11:45 #19365
ARH
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@arh
I am a builder of warships of all ereas from ww1- ww11 and none of mine are grey, its what takes your fancy, now who would want to build a SLOW MO SHUN, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh
14 March 2009 at 14:57 #19367
neil hp
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@neilhp
Speaking of warships, do any of you learned chappies out there know if any of the armed trawlers of the Allied forces ever carried Dazzle colour camouflage, and if so have any of you got any shots you could please share with me.

Thanks.neil.
15 March 2009 at 00:41 #19377
Rick Fryer
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@rickfryer11539
Neil,

The paragraph below is a scan from the official Admiralty record of trawlers and drifters – available at http://www.gwpda.org/naval/atrawler.htm 

Rick
15 March 2009 at 09:55 #19379
neil hp
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@neilhp
many many thanks for your help Rick.

I have a number of books about trawlers during ww2 and not one has a picture in it. I shall have a good browse through that and contact them if need be.

cheers.neil.

I love the bit where it says two trawlers were fitted with jet propulsion,not very succesfully.lol

wonder what happened there.he he.
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