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17 January 2013 at 18:52 #38748
Alun
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Hi all Alun here as the title says I'm building the new sea queen but before I start I would like to make sure I get the right type of glues for the right jobs so any help would be greatly recieved the last thing I want is for it to fall apart on the water llol any thanks Alun
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17 January 2013 at 18:52 #2224
Alun
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17 January 2013 at 21:08 #38749
Colin Bishop
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I would reccommed Aliphatic glue for wood to wood joints. Quick grab, waterproof and water cleanup. You can't go wrong really.

Colin
17 January 2013 at 22:13 #38751
Phil Browne
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@philbrowne39943
also very easy to sand once dry.
17 January 2013 at 23:24 #38753
mark69
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@mark69
hi alun could you not use an epoxy resin and light scrim to sheath the hull that will be waterproof just a thought ………….. Mark
18 January 2013 at 06:33 #38754
Alun
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@alun
Hi Colin ,phill and mark thanks for the replies and advice I have most of the things I need just wanted to make sure before I start the build I have all the above glues apart from the epoxy so I will get some is there any particular brand that is suited better for model boats ?? . Many thanks again guys for the help cheers Alun
18 January 2013 at 06:54 #38755
Paul T
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@pault84577
Hello Alun

Some glues can be expensive especially when building a large model, I tend to use waterproof PVAs such as eveostick in the blue containers.

It doesn't have the quick grab ability of the more exotic adhesives but this isn't necessarily a bad thing as you have a greater amount of 'play time' to adjust the parts before they set into position.

Paul
18 January 2013 at 09:50 #38756
Paul T
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@pault84577
I should add a caveat to my last posting:

In as much as I regard this particular PVA as being suitable for the construction of model (wooden) boats I do not advocate its use in permanent immersion or continually wet conditions.

This PVA should be regarded as splash proof and perfectly adequate for the occasional sailing that most model boats are usually subjected to.

Paul
18 January 2013 at 12:15 #38758
Malcolm Frary
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@malcolmfrary95515
Posted by Paul T on 18/01/2013 09:50:36:

I should add a caveat to my last posting:

In as much as I regard this particular PVA as being suitable for the construction of model (wooden) boats I do not advocate its use in permanent immersion or continually wet conditions.

This PVA should be regarded as splash proof and perfectly adequate for the occasional sailing that most model boats are usually subjected to.

Paul

.And of course it will have a good set of layers of something waterproof between it and any water. Sanding sealer, varnish, paint, resin all spring to mind.
18 January 2013 at 12:28 #38759
LARRY WHETTON
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@larrywhetton68737
Hello Alun,

my sea queen is plank on frame build , the gleu used was EVOSTICK WEATHERPROOF

as surgested by PAUL T used a lot in building trade , but also the inside the hull had a coat resin

as used for fibre glass, water tight as a ducks back side, hope this helps,…..Larry.
19 January 2013 at 22:41 #38789
Alun
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@alun
Well guys have been out and bought all the appropriate glues so I will spend the evening reading the destruction book and dry fitting and sanding the bulk heads and motor mounts looking at glueing tomorrow if all parts fit snug will keep you all updated

many thanks again Alun
22 January 2013 at 16:04 #38819
ashley needham
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@ashleyneedham69188
Alun/all. I have been beavering away lately on something that has gone from bad to worse, and have used Devcon epoxy for all my bits. Its too cold outside to wait for PVA (wot I normally use), and Devcon can be purchased in larger 25cc bottles at a much more reasonable price than Araldite. I always use the 5min stuff as I am V impatient.

I have also been using Gorilla glue lately, as its economical when glueing together large items, and 200% waterproof. No good for small joints though.

Ashley
23 January 2013 at 15:04 #38847
Paul T
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@pault84577
When all else fails I use Araldite Rapid Epoxy it hasn't let me down in over 20 years.
24 January 2013 at 18:57 #38888
Alun
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@alun
Hi all sorry for the delay in getting back I work permanent nights sodont get much free time over the week have purchased all the glues I think I will need including the good old araldite epoxy cheers for all the replies and I will post some pictures of the build very soon . Anyway off to work again lol will chat soon .
1 February 2013 at 14:20 #38995
Alun
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@alun
Hi all alun here just a quick one what glue would you use for gluing the skins on the hull?
2 February 2013 at 07:13 #39004
Paul T
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@pault84577
Hello Alun

All of the glues previously mentioned will do the the job ultimately it depends upon how quickly you want the glue to work.

PVA wont provide instant grab so you will have to clamp the work whilst the glue sets however this does give you the option of extended 'play time' so you can adjust any problems.

The instant grab glues are very convenient if you are confident of getting it right first time but beware that any mistake can be fatal for the hull skin.

Paul
2 February 2013 at 09:03 #39005
Alun
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@alun
Hello Paul

thank you for the advice I was going to use gorilla glue but have read that you don't have a lot of play time as it were and I don't want to hash it up lol so I think I might go down the PVA route this will give me plenty of time to line every thing up just right . Once again thanks for the advice

alun
2 February 2013 at 15:24 #39013
LARRY WHETTON
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@larrywhetton68737
Hello Alun,

basic frame works and bulkhead looks good , use pva glue for skins ,

dry fit all tempory fix with mask tape , start with bottom skins first, trim back to bottom stringers so nice and tidy , when this all fixed and dry , fix side skins with slight over lap,

when every thing is nice and dry trim back over lap a nice rub down with sand paper,

fill any gaps with p38

sand again , if happy give first coat of primer,

now go to inside of hull and give coat of resin pay attensoin to joints aply a bandage if required

its a big boat so will need a lot of TLC …….

what power are you going to use ?…

hope this helps cheers Larry…
2 February 2013 at 20:49 #39017
ashley needham
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@ashleyneedham69188
Gorilla glue expands like billy-o, and needs clamping good and proper or it will move all your work about. great stuff under the right conditions, be careful as to when you use it.

Ashley
3 February 2013 at 07:14 #39021
Alun
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@alun
Morning all

Hi larry regarding power I will be using the standard motor that came with the kit for the time being as I am not that clued up on electric as can be found on my other posts regarding the restored sea queen I have . What motor ,esc do you run yours on and is it pretty nippy ,I am after a bit of speed and also reliability as well .

Many thanks again

Alun
3 February 2013 at 09:58 #39024
LARRY WHETTON
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@larrywhetton68737
Hi Alun ,

mine ran on a old power drill motor , rated 12vlt esc , from china free gift .

driving 45mm xprop ,

went well till , the esc, caurght fire , stern badly scorched ,

in the back of work shop , waiting to for work in outside dry dock ….

its a boat………needs a lot of room , and a nighmare to transport…….cheers Larry……
4 February 2013 at 08:06 #39038
Alun
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@alun
Hi larry

Regarding prop size I'm running my restored sea queen on a 65mm prop it pushes her along ok but very slow if I went down to a 45mm prop would that give me a little bit more speed

Cheers alun
4 February 2013 at 10:01 #39042
LARRY WHETTON
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@larrywhetton68737
Hi Alun,

Give it try , but watch the heat factor, like i said its a big boat, built for ic engines.

take a range of props with you , ….Larry…
11 March 2013 at 05:30 #39616
Alun
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@alun
Hello all have been busy with work and family duties so have not been able to get on here for a while, any way the new sea queen is coming along nicely know ,I have had a few small problems fitting the first two hull skins but after a bit of sanding and fettling have got them into position and am just in the process of fitting the upper two skins of the hull which look straight forward (hope I have not jinxed myself ) . When I workout how to put pics up with the post I will be able to show you all my hard work lol ,we'll back to school runs and work happy sailing / motoring .

alun
22 June 2013 at 10:29 #41714
Alun
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