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  • #70958
    Bob Abell 2
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      @bobabell2

      it is with great pleasure to report that all high speed, boats, time trials and Club 500 craft are now banned from Etherow Park model boat club

      In the interest of wildlife welfare

      Peace at last

      Bob

      #9578
      Bob Abell 2
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        @bobabell2

        High speed boats are banned

        #70960
        Martin Field 1
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          @martinfield1

          Whilst I am not one who has any of those boats, I find that attitude a great shame. I can't abide tugs, merchantmen or Warships, but there is room for everyone, surely. Just have a different day for running the fast stuff.

          It is this attitude that has resulted in so very few tethered hydro venues, when once there were so many. We are all to some extent weakened by that, whatever our interests.

          Martin

          #70963
          ashley needham
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            @ashleyneedham69188

            Whereas I am not always in accordance with Martins views, in this instance I would agree.

            Where would DM be able to run his Fairies after all the clubs have banned fast craft? are they "fast craft" ?and what exactly IS a fast craft??

            If left to the views of the committee as to just how fast is fast and thus to ban boats on an individual basis would I am sure stifle membership of said clubs wholesale.

            The first boat a child plays with is likely to be an RTR speedboat….ban them and starve the hobby forever of the next generation of boaters?

            ​I can understand the wildlife thing, but althougfh our pond teems with wildlife they soon clear the immediate fast area for the usually short period that these things are out and return soon after. As with all things we are all sensible drivers especially when using faster boats.

            ​Banning anything….slippery slope,

            ​Ashley       USUAL DISCLAIMER

            Edited By ashley needham on 11/05/2017 10:29:05

            #70965
            Paul T
            Participant
              @pault84577

              Bob

              I have never disagreed with any of your comments but this is an exception as I truly think that this is the thin end of a very nasty wedge.

              As Ashley says what constitutes a 'fast' boat, is there some kind of measurable speed or is it simply some arbitrary limit dreamed up on the day by some committee member that depends less on speed and more if you are in the clique.

              Would Brutus qualify as high speed and are full size sailing dinghies banned from competitive racing?

              Paul

              No Disclaimers

               

              Edited By Paul T on 11/05/2017 10:58:30

              #70966
              Dave Milbourn
              Participant
                @davemilbourn48782

                It is with equal pleasure to report that I would never dream of visiting a club where such a smug and high-handed attitude as this prevails. It seems the mutterings I'd heard about Etherow were true. As for "wildlife welfare" – that's bull***t. If someone is chasing ducks with a Club 500 then a quiet word should be all that's necessary.
                Good luck policing this nonsense; I reckon you'll need it.

                DM

                #70967
                Paul T
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                  @pault84577

                  Is Etherow a public lake or does the club have exclusive rights to operate model boats?

                  #70984
                  Kev.W
                  Participant
                    @kev-w

                    So if I pay a visit to Etherow with my Marblehead, I best attach a drogue to the stern if the wind is over 10mph.

                    Edited By Kip Woods on 12/05/2017 11:18:10

                    #70985
                    Dave Milbourn
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                      @davemilbourn48782
                      Posted by Kip Woods on 12/05/2017 11:17:17:

                      So if I pay a visit to Etherow with my Marblehead, I best attach a drogue to the stern if the wind is over 10mph.

                      Edited By Kip Woods on 12/05/2017 11:18:10

                      Kip

                      You'll be "legal" only while you're close hauled but you won't be able to turn and run with the wind. I hope that's made things clear.

                      I gather that EPMBC High Command has already acquired a radar speed gun but no-one yet has worked out how to use it. However they quickly mastered the Taser with which they propose to stun any 'hooligans' before throwing them into the lake.

                      DM

                      #70986
                      Bob Abell 2
                      Participant
                        @bobabell2

                        Etherow Model Boat Club resides within Etherow Country Park and is a Nature Resrerve

                        The Club is allowed to use the water facilities with the kind permission of Stockport Council

                        Any further harm to the wildlife, caused by high speed boats would have terminated the lease

                        There was no alternative, but to ban the high speed racing events

                        Bob

                        #70987
                        Dave Milbourn
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                          @davemilbourn48782

                          A drastic change of tone there, Bob. The heading and the text of your original posting suggested a distinct bias against anything faster than a duck and also anyone who sails such craft. It would perhaps have been less controversial if you'd posted your most recent statement first. No-one can condone the harming of wildlife, whether it's done accidentally, recklessly or deliberately.

                          It's still unclear, however, whether the ban covers only high-speed racing events or the running at all times of anything deemed to be "fast". As Ashley says, banning anything is a slippery slope. You need to get your definitions crystal clear to avoid any clashes of opinion in future.

                          Dave M

                          Edited By Dave Milbourn on 12/05/2017 12:44:01

                          #70988
                          Tony Hadley
                          Participant
                            @tonyhadley

                            Stockport Council have put measures in place to police these high speed models –

                            **LINK**

                            T

                            #70989
                            Paul T
                            Participant
                              @pault84577

                              Just to be doubly sure Stockport Council have taken more drastic steps to ensure the policing of these high speed models.

                              Paul

                              #70990
                              Martin Field 1
                              Participant
                                @martinfield1

                                That'll be Southport, Massachusetts, then?

                                Martin

                                #70992
                                Paul T
                                Participant
                                  @pault84577

                                  The tide goes out a long way over there as well

                                  #70993
                                  Martin Field 1
                                  Participant
                                    @martinfield1

                                    Just out of hinterest…With tree stumps in the bottom of that dip, could that be a new pool being dug?

                                    Wouldn't it be nice if that was done in every new town/development in the country?

                                    Martin

                                    #70994
                                    Dodgy Geezer 1
                                    Participant
                                      @dodgygeezer1

                                      A suspiciously large number of 'green' regulations turn out to be activist's prejudices, with no justification behind them. Do we have any independent justification here? Or any history of trying to enable both sides to co-exist?

                                      #70995
                                      Bob Abell 2
                                      Participant
                                        @bobabell2

                                        See Etherow model boat club website for official explanation

                                        Bob

                                        #70996
                                        John W E
                                        Participant
                                          @johnwe

                                          Hi ya Bob

                                          What has your boat club Committee done about the public and their danger to the wildlife? To give you an example of how daft the ruling is that your Committee has proposed – the Club I belong to was opened before Charles Parson launched the Turbinia in 1894 and the lake was purposely built for the gentry to sail their yachts on. There has always been wild life on that lake from the start – if you dig a hole and fill it with water, nature takes over, and you cannot prevent this. You will always have wild fowl connected with the water and what you have to do is live side by side with the wild life. If the Committee has done its job, they should have educated those with fast boats to keep away from the wild life, which no doubt they will do. or, at least try their hardest to do.

                                          The people that we need to educate are the general public – they do more harm to the wildlife than any model boaters do – to give you a class example – last Sunday a group of people feeding the swans and geese at the lakeside with stale bread and whatnot – finished feeding them and promptly threw the plastic bag in the lake. Two things wrong there obviously – and there are several large noticed to say do not feed the wildlife BREAD – its bad for their digestion and it sinks to the bottom of the lake and contaminates the lake.

                                          A plastic bag speak for itself – the other one that got my goat is the lady with the dog – one running riot chasing the birds. She was just laughing thinking its great – one of the birds had its young out on the water.

                                          So, I think you should re-evaluate what you are doing.

                                          John

                                          #70997
                                          Paul T
                                          Participant
                                            @pault84577

                                            On a serious note I suspect that the fast electric transgressors are unlikely to be club members and far more probable to be 'one off' visits by random members of the public.

                                            The committees action is fairly predictable and understandable as the club can now legitimately say 'its nothing to do with us' the next time a fast electric tries to co-exist with a duck.

                                            No doubt the incidents will continue and Stockport Council will be forced by the duck lovers to introduce even more draconian measures.

                                            Sad sad

                                            We should remember that our dear friend Capt Bob is only the messenger and isn't actually responsible for these rules nor is he responsible for the mass destruction of winged wildlife.

                                             

                                            Edited By Paul T on 12/05/2017 17:57:18

                                            #70998
                                            ashley needham
                                            Participant
                                              @ashleyneedham69188

                                              I dare say absolutely NO wildlife has been harmed thus far, but it only takes a few do-goody members of the public to say that some fast boats have committed mass slaughter at the lake and a blanket ban ensues.

                                              As usual it is much easier to simply ban something rather than sort anything out, and cheaper of course…. a few lines on a bit of notepaper.

                                              Ashley

                                              #71001
                                              The Long Build
                                              Participant
                                                @thelongbuild

                                                " A Step in the wright Direction " !! not really, a step backwards really, and the fact you take Great Pleasure to report it !!

                                                Ok, I take it there has been an incident but none the less .

                                                #71002
                                                Dave Milbourn
                                                Participant
                                                  @davemilbourn48782

                                                  We should remember that our dear friend Capt Bob is only the messenger

                                                  "A step in the right direction".

                                                  "Great pleasure".

                                                  "Peace at last".

                                                  Message understood.

                                                  DM

                                                  #71011
                                                  Paul T
                                                  Participant
                                                    @pault84577

                                                    Dear All

                                                    Perhaps Bobs initial comments were born of personal experience……no Dave not as a duck……but there is a good chance that an afternoons genteel sailing could have been rudely interrupted by an uncaring teenager playing with his latest toy.

                                                    Anyway I see from the Manchester Guardian that Stockport Council are buying a small nuclear armed gunship from the North Korean Navy so they can effectively police the lake and enforce the new laws.

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