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  • #66532
    Mark Jarvis 2
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      @markjarvis2

      Hi guys, has the Mayhem forum got a server problem? seems to have been down for a day or two

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      #8462
      Mark Jarvis 2
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        @markjarvis2
        #66534
        Dodgy Geezer 1
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          @dodgygeezer1

          If you wonder whether a site is working or not, there are lots of 'Is it up?' sites which will check for you.

           

          Here is an example: **LINK**

           

          This shows it to be UP….

          Edited By Dodgy Geezer on 14/07/2016 10:00:09

          #66535
          Dave Milbourn
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            @davemilbourn48782

            It's been up and down like a thing that goes up and down a lot recently, but it's an increasingly unpleasant place to go these days. I shall only look in once or twice a month from now on to see if there are any messages.

            DM

            Edited By Dave Milbourn on 14/07/2016 10:15:28

            #66538
            Dodgy Geezer 1
            Participant
              @dodgygeezer1
              Posted by Dave Milbourn on 14/07/2016 10:14:56:

              It's been up and down like a thing that goes up and down a lot recently, but it's an increasingly unpleasant place to go these days. I shall only look in once or twice a month from now on to see if there are any messages.

              DM

              Edited By Dave Milbourn on 14/07/2016 10:15:28

              I stopped going there a long time ago, on account of the moderation….

              #66539
              Dave Milbourn
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                @davemilbourn48782

                DG

                I wouldn't actually mind a bit of moderation there. Everyone seems to be getting tetchy or bad-tempered and extreme these days. There's also less and less to do with model boats, too. If this forum could be compared to a gentlemen's club then Modelboat Mayhem is more like a rowdy public bar-room; mayhem by name and mayhem by nature.

                Enough!

                DM

                #66545
                Tony Hadley
                Participant
                  @tonyhadley

                  Sorry Dave, I realise you have said "Enough!" but as a footnote, the Mayhem group on facebook is a very good group (obviously my own thoughts)

                  #66636
                  Dave Milbourn
                  Participant
                    @davemilbourn48782

                    Tony

                    The "enough" was mean to signify the end of my rant, not an order to close this thread! I wouldn't presume to be able to achieve that, especially with a hard man like Admiral Sir Colin Bishop in overall charge!

                    I don't use Facebook for all sorts of reasons so I don't know which of the 'regular' Forum members these folk are (although I could probably hazard a pretty accurate guess). I see that the main Forum is down yet again – this seems to be almost a daily occurrence. Maybe I'll investigate Facebook.

                    Dave M

                    #66638
                    Tony Hadley
                    Participant
                      @tonyhadley

                      Thanks Dave,

                      I can't go 'head over heels' about facebook, other than thinking it's ok.

                      In addition to mayhem, there are also a couple of other model boat groups which I've joined, RC Ships, Boats and Submarines and Classic Wooden Model Boats. I did a recent post on RC S B S and posts now have to be approved before they are uploaded (they have obviously had problems with junk). The groups don't have the same level of activity as Mayhem's forum, but it's far easier to add photographs and the discussion is more about the hobby. Mayhem member U33 (Richard) is admin on RC S B S. Model Boats magazine usually send the latest information on the next magazine (which is what Colin posts a link to).

                      Tony

                      #66664
                      Peter Fitness
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                        @peterfitness34857

                        As a moderator on Mayhem I'm curious as to why DG left "on account of the moderation". I know that we have had some unpleasantness there in the past, but my personal feeling is that Mayhem is a much better forum since certain trouble makers were banned. The forum rules are quite clear as to the standards required, and I believe that those standards are maintained by the moderators. Some people seem to think that they can say what they like, then are miffed because they are moderated in line with the rules.

                        Mayhem is a valuable resource with large amounts of information available, and the vast majority of active members are willing to help if asked.

                        Just my personal opinion.

                        Peter.

                        #66665
                        Colin Bishop
                        Moderator
                          @colinbishop34627

                          I used to be a Mayhem moderator until I took up the editorship of this position. We maintain very amicable relations with Mayhem and I regard Martin as a good friend. I remain a member of Mayhem despite the efforts of some individuals on that forum to persuade me otherwise. As Peter says, Mayhem carries a huge amount of useful information but it is rather more informal that this forum and covers many non model boating topics and so is something of a social chat room as well as a model boating resource.

                          I have been rather sorry to see that a number of prominent model boaters appear to have ceased Mayhem postings although I do not intend to do so myself.

                          Colin

                          #66667
                          Dave_P
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                            @dave_p

                            I prefer this site over Mayhem but as already said it has a vast amount of good information and for that reason I do not dismiss it.

                            #66673
                            Dave Milbourn
                            Participant
                              @davemilbourn48782

                              Don't forget, Dave, that all of that good information relies on the goodwill of the people who supply it. Take that for granted and it might dry up.
                              Dave M

                              #66676
                              Dodgy Geezer 1
                              Participant
                                @dodgygeezer1
                                Posted by Peter Fitness on 20/07/2016 23:55:45:

                                As a moderator on Mayhem I'm curious as to why DG left "on account of the moderation". I know that we have had some unpleasantness there in the past, but my personal feeling is that Mayhem is a much better forum since certain trouble makers were banned….

                                Mayhem had fora which were specific to aspects of Model Boats, and other more general fora. In the former, politeness is always required – in the latter things might get more 'robust'.

                                I have no difficulty at all with robust discussion and debate. In fact, I enjoy it. It's good to be corrected when you are wrong, and to have to defend your ideas against a clever and well-informed opponent. I'm even happier when things descend to personal insults – that's an infallible sign that you have won your point, and besides, sometimes the insults are quite witty. I might want to use them myself sometime! Boring, childish insults are water off a duck's back – if an opponent wants to broadcast the fact that he (and it usually is a he)'s lost, then be my guest. So I'm generally unhappy if a moderator steps in to block such a post – though I understand that a stream of pointless insults becomes boring quite rapidly….

                                What I don't like is political correctness, and instances where a moderator deletes political opinion which does not coincide with his own, or feels that it will annoy someone, even though it breaches no stated moderation guidelines. The Mayhem board is Martins – it is a fantastic resource and ambassador for UK Model Boating generally, he has a perfect right to run it in any way he wants, and my rights are limited to leaving it if I do not agree with some aspects of the way it is run – which I duly did.

                                'Model Boats', by contrast, is a commercial site with, as far as I know, no general discussion encouraged. When the administrators feel that any conversation is likely to cause problems for them they moderate it, but also take the trouble to tell the protagonists why. I approve of that approach, and have had no disagreement with them over it – yet!

                                #66679
                                Colin Bishop
                                Moderator
                                  @colinbishop34627

                                  Moderation is usually down to me DG.

                                  Yes it is a commercially supported site and so I do bear in mind that posts can reflect upon the owners but just about all members appreciate that I think. I also prefer it that we generally keep to model boating related matters rather than open it up as a general social chat room – there are plenty of other places you can go to for that facility.

                                  It seem to work reasonably OK anyway.

                                  Colin

                                  #66680
                                  Dodgy Geezer 1
                                  Participant
                                    @dodgygeezer1
                                    Posted by Colin Bishop, Website Editor on 21/07/2016 23:03:29:

                                    rather than open it up as a general social chat room – there are plenty of other places you can go to for that facility.

                                    Colin

                                    Indeed. If anyone wants the full half hour argument (eight pounds for a course of ten) they could do worse than to start honing their rhetoric here: **LINK**

                                    A lot of people there with some VERY torturous arguments…

                                    #66683
                                    Dave Milbourn
                                    Participant
                                      @davemilbourn48782

                                      If you want some seriously grumpy old men there's this site **LINK**

                                      but beware – they take no prisoners!

                                      Dave M

                                      #66687
                                      Dodgy Geezer 1
                                      Participant
                                        @dodgygeezer1

                                        If you want some seriously grumpy old men…

                                        Ha! Childs play!

                                        I prefer them to be certifiably insane while arguing about Quantum theory applied to Eugenics, whether Revelations 13 describes the current global financial system accurately, and the vexed question of whether Adam had any need for genitalia before Eve was invented…

                                        Debate in its purest form, with no conceivable connection to any reality whatsoever…..

                                        #66690
                                        Paul T
                                        Participant
                                          @pault84577

                                          DG

                                          Debate in its purest form, with no conceivable connection to any reality whatsoever……Fantastic basis for a discussion and right up my street.

                                          I would think that Chaos theory might be better applied to Eugenics.

                                          These days the number of the beast is more likely to be a lotto rollover result.

                                          Did Adam need genitalia? I guess like all stories you have to be willing to suspend your disbelief in order to enjoy the tale.

                                          Paul

                                          #66720
                                          Dodgy Geezer 1
                                          Participant
                                            @dodgygeezer1

                                            Debate in its purest form, with no conceivable connection to any reality whatsoever……Fantastic basis for a discussion and right up my street.

                                            Be my guest! Here is a link to the discussion on Revelations 13… **LINK**

                                            #66721
                                            The Long Build
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                                              @thelongbuild

                                              If when you say Political opinion you mean Governmental topics then I have yo say that in my opinion they have no place on a modelling forum and ultimately they will end up in conflict , flame wares and clog up the threads ets, much as religious debates ..And we have enough problems in the real world with both Political and Religious opinion to have to contend with it on a forum as well.

                                              #66723
                                              Charles Oates
                                              Participant
                                                @charlesoates31738

                                                Agreed. There are plenty of places for conflict. Modeling only on here please.

                                                Chas

                                                #66727
                                                Colin Bishop
                                                Moderator
                                                  @colinbishop34627

                                                  Yes, we should hone our chisels rather than our rhetoric. Much more relaxing.

                                                  Colin

                                                  #66731
                                                  ashley needham
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                                                    @ashleyneedham69188

                                                    That Colin, so sophisticated. Ashley

                                                    #66752
                                                    The Long Build
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                                                      @thelongbuild

                                                      Going back to the original Topic, looks like Mayhem is ill again as at least for me has been down all day.

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