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    Robert Armstrong 4
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      I wonder if there is a guide to the target rpm range for props of different sizes that any one knows about. I know that the rpm for full size props is limited by cavitation and I am sure that naval architects have comprehensive rules (and probably simulation software for special designs). So has anyone covered the topic for model size props? A table of rpm ranges against prop diameter would be the ideal thing.

      Always hopeful smiley

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      Robert Armstrong 4
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        #75230
        Chris Fellows
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          Problem, as you probably know, is that it's not as simple as revs for a given diameter.

          The pitch and design of the prop has a bearing on it as well and hence why racing props are designed as they are.

          Obviously for displacement vessels max. revs isn't a concern and for most sports type craft either unless being run flat out.

          Interesting question though and maybe something is available for different prop types as well as diameters though I guess the displacement of the vessel will have a bearing on it as well as speed is built up?

          #75231
          Byron Rees…(Ron)
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            Hi Robert,

            Your query is a good one and still a grey area when it comes to model boat design and building. I have a considerable collection of model publications going back years and I don't really remember anyone trying to quantify the problem and put it into an understandable format. There have been a couple of articles 'way back when' but you would need to be a physics genius to understand them.

            This is probably because there are so many variables in play here, the only people in the model game that would have a considerable knowledge of the subject would be top end racers, hydroplane competitors and propeller manufacturers as they have the greatest need for this information of all of us.

            The pond side 'know it all' will spout figures, makes and sizes and is sometimes right but has no knowledge of the true theoretical reasons why such and such a prop should be used for this or that model and motor set up.

            In the end it all seems to come down to knowledge based on ones own experience with different set-ups and trying a certain size prop on a model with a certain motor. Most of us will try at least a couple or so props till the model runs in an OK fashion, but whether that is the correct or most efficient set up seems to be in the lap of the Gods. At the very least our starting point for these choices are within certain parameters which can, hopefully save wasting bundles of money on props that will never work.

            There are a lot of modellers on this forum who have far more experience than me and while I can recommend what has worked for me and my models many others will have similar knowledge of different boats and that is the beauty of this Forum.

            Hopefully, if you give us all some ideas about the model you are planning or building and what you hope to power it with, then I'm sure you will get many tips and recommendations from fellow boaters.

            Give it a day or two and hopefully once you've given us some details the recommendations will come flooding in.

             

            Cheers……………RON.

             

             

            Edited By Byron Rees…(Ron) on 21/01/2018 16:43:14

            #75232
            Chris Fellows
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              @chrisfellows72943

              https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1500831-matching-propeller-motor-boat-count-speed-based-on-pitch-rpm/page2

              This link touches on the subject. To further complicate matters different manufacturers quote different rev limits based on how the props are manufactured.

              Have you got a particular situation where very high revs are needed?

              #75233
              Colin Bishop
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                @colinbishop34627

                Yes, as stated above there are just so many variables that sometimes only very crude indications are available such as the motor getting too hot or the boat running too slow!

                I did make an attempt to address this issue in the 2011 Special Issue of Model Boats which I edited. However this concentrated on matching motors to props on an empirical basis using examples from forum members rather than looking at RPM. After all it’s easy to vary the RPM by the speed controller setting and battery voltage.

                **LINK**

                Colin

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                ashley needham
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                  Robert. We had a (relatively) small chart of types of boat and motor/prop combinations a while ago ( If I remember correctly) but these were only combinations that people had settled on and may not have been the best/most efficient or whatever.

                  ​Possibly a broad outline prop/rev chart could be cobbled together but without proper tests it would be nothing more than an approximate guide. and would not necessarily help in finding the right prop for the boat.

                  ​The racing boys are much more clued up on this as performance and efficiency are everything, but to a degree efficiency does not matter too much in anything else. Model boats are massively overpowered in almost every case and whereas a 1 per cent increase in efficiency may make huge savings on a full size cruise ship, it matters little to a model Titanic on the pond.

                  ​Ashley

                  #75241
                  Gareth Jones
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                    @garethjones79649

                    Robert,

                    The article referred to by Colin above, and also by Ashley, was based on a survey of members boat performance information submitted to the website. There is a link to all that data here, including several of my own models. **LINK**

                    I have kept an Excel spreadsheet of the performance of all my models, some with several different motors and propellers fitted. If you would like a copy send me a PM with your email address and I will forward a copy to you.

                    Gareth

                    #75242
                    Colin Bishop
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                      @colinbishop34627

                      Thanks for that Gaeth, I knew it was there somewhere but my search didn't bring it up!

                      Colin

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