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    Paul75
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      @paul75

      Dear All.

      Could WD40 be used to clean and lubricate the moving parts on an old, but working, 540 type motor?

      Many thanks,

      Paul.

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      Paul75
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        #67730
        ashley needham
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          @ashleyneedham69188

          Paul. I would say that it depends how grubby it is! . Some switch cleaner for the brushes and commutator (is that the correct name?) would be best as these only need to be clean, and the only thing that needs lubrication are the bearings, a drop of oil. So, I say NO to WD40 but in all probability it may not actually harm the motor. These 540 types are fairly inexpensive to simply change out, but there are different types of 540…fast, slow, low drain and so on.

          What application is this motor for?

          Ashley

          #67734
          Dave Milbourn
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            @davemilbourn48782

            I agree 100% with Ashley. This is the sort of stuff to use on the commutator and brushes **LINK** while a light machine oil, such as that sold for sewing machines, should be used sparingly on the bearings at each end. I have a small tubular dispenser of the stuff with a very fine tube at one end; I think it was bought at a model engineering show. I wouldn't let WD40 anywhere near an electric motor myself, but you may suit yourself.

            Dave M

            #67735
            Malcolm Frary
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              @malcolmfrary95515

              Applying anything with oil in it to a carbon brush usually results in the brush breaking down and clogging the commutator sooner or later, effectively bringing forward the replacement day. Motors with metal brushes can be lubed in that area, but if they have got to the point where they need cleaning, they have generally reached the end of their useful life. If it is the type of motor where the brushes can be replaced, remove them first before cleaning.

              The commutator can usually be cleaned using a cotton bud through the cooling holes to the point where you can see if there is any scoring or burning on it. If there is, it is time to mend it with a new one.

              The only bits that need any oil are the bearings, and no more than a drop each.

              Motors are generally sealed for life modules that are replaceable rather than repairable.

              #67758
              Paul75
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                @paul75

                Thanks for your replies.

                The reason for my enquiry is that my HMS Duke of York slightly veers off to starboard. I've just bought a laser tachometer and found that the starboard outer prop spins about 20% slower than the other three (2700 rpm versus 3400) unloaded which I would guess is causing the veering. The drivetrain itself includes a reduction geared pulley system so there are plenty of factors which could lead to inefficiency of transfer of drive between motor and prop in this set up. I'm just trying to systematically eliminate potential factors one by one and I thought popping a drop of oil on the motor bearings could be an easy fix but perhaps this is wishful thinking.

                All the best,

                Paul.

                #67759
                Colin Bishop
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                  @colinbishop34627

                  Check the current draw on each motor with the shafts connected to see if they are all the same as they should be.

                  If you have a pulley system then it might be worth disconnecting the motors and measuring the no load current draw on each one to see if there are any differences. This would indicate a motor problem.

                  However I rather suspect that you will find that there is increased friction in the affected shaft which may be binding slightly for some reason so that is the most obvious place to look.

                  Also, If it is feasible you could try swapping the two outer shafts over to see if this makes a difference. This could indicate whether it is the shaft or the tube which is binding.

                  A process of elimination really but rather time consuming and sometimes frustrating!

                  Colin

                  #67760
                  Paul75
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                    @paul75

                    Thanks for your reply Colin – I'll check the loaded/unloaded motor current as you suggest. I've check the motor voltage supply and they are all receiving the same voltage so the problem is downstream from the motor power connection. Hopefully it's something simple – it'll be far easier changing a motor than replacing warped propshafts/tubes!

                    Thanks again,

                    Paul.

                    #67770
                    Malcolm Frary
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                      @malcolmfrary95515

                      The drop of oil on the motor bearings really is the simplest first option – anything inside the motor less so.

                      Testing the motors unloaded is good – you have to bear in mind that motors for the model trade are rarely made to laboratory standards and one might have a marginally weaker magnet that its mate quite apart from any mechanical wear and tear issues.

                      Although it is nice to think that any particular problem might have a single solution as envisaged by the people who write faulting flowcharts, there is nothing in real life to say that more than one fault cannot be present at any one time.

                      #67965
                      Robin Bodger
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                        @robinbodger80379

                        I would never use WD 40 on bearings, maybe clean them but wd40 is not a real lubricant, I’ve used it to wash bearings then dried them and used grease or oil but don’t ever consider it as a lubricant.

                        #67967
                        Mark Jarvis 2
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                          @markjarvis2

                          HI paul, could it just be the shaft needs some oil? or that shaft might be corroded slightly and just needs cleaning

                          Mark

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