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  • #54035
    P. H. Stones
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      @p-h-stones25207

      Has anyone purchased an electronic switching unit from advertisements on e-bay and if so has the item proved unreliable? I have had three of these and all have failed after a short time and none has been operated for more than half an hour in total. The first was replaced without question but recent e-mails about the other two have received no reply from the vendor and I'm wondering what to do next. I have read that certain units suffer relay failure after a while and perhaps the article was referring to the same type. It could be that there is an inherent fault which the vendor is aware of but does nothing about. If so that's not good business practice but I'd welcome any comments on the subject. The units have not been abused in a way.

      #5344
      P. H. Stones
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        @p-h-stones25207

        Miniature electronic switches for boat lights etc

        #54036
        Colin Bishop
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          @colinbishop34627

          E Bay is a bit of a lottery really. maybe best to purchase from established UK suppliers with decent after sales service. Cheapest isn't always bestest!

          Colin

          #54038
          mike farrell
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            @mikefarrell21522

            For what its worth I have a 4 channel sequential switch in my Brede Class Lifeboat .Its been installed for over 3 years and functions as well today as when it was first installed .Its British made and from MR RC World up Blyth way .winkMichael

            #54039
            Dave Milbourn
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              @davemilbourn48782

              Bly Blitish **LINK** Make sure that the current you wish to switch doesn't exceed the rating of the relay. As regards the U/S ones I'd write it off to experience if I were you.

              Dave M

              #54044
              P. H. Stones
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                @p-h-stones25207

                The switch is to operate three small grain of wheat type bulbs with a current consumption of a few m/A, well within the claimed capability of the item in question. In fact when connected to the powered up switch, the lights do come on and stay on as the relay does not operate which suggests to me a fault in that section. I suspect from the lack of communication that the vendor Mr R C World knows of this problem and hopes I'll go away as indeed I will. The small amount of money involved is not worth the bother of taking the matter further but I hope others might read this before buying. I am purchasing a Turnigy switch from another source and hopefully this will prove more reliable but the proof of the pudding is in the eating and time will tell. I have been unable to find an established supplier of similar switches so a few names would be appreciated. Thanks to all.

                #54046
                Malcolm Frary
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                  @malcolmfrary95515

                  Which are the lights that come on? The grain of wheat bulbs or LEDs on the unit? If the GoW lights come on, in a conventional setup, that indicates that either the relay is wired to switch them off, or they have been wired to bypass the contacts.

                  If it is the units indicator lights that are lighting, it should be possible to hear the relay click as it operates, but note that a lot of modern PIC driven devices have been designed by people who are only familiar with Futaba, and are unaware that everybody else is out of step regarding control pulse length and forward/reverse sense. Many programmed devices need toe "wake up" getting the right signal to use as a starting point.

                  #54050
                  Kimosubby Shipyards
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                    @kimosubbyshipyards

                    I used to use GoW bulbs for ships lighting, but found that they were eating a 9V battery in 3 / 4 hours. I had nav lights, red, green, white and one up the mast plus another adapted to be a tilley lamp.

                    I was very surprised that the overall current drain was close to 400mA for these 5 bulbs (12V) running on 9V. Now use LEDs and always set them up for the lowest current giving a decent light by metering the resistor used, using higher values to drop the current when necessary. Now have a tug running 16 LEDs and the total current to run them all is only 35mA and in actual use they would not all be on at the same time. That's why I use a multi meter, not only to check circuit integrity, but to monitor the current in the system.

                    I have switcher units big and small, my latest coming from Mr Engel – very small, 4 switches, and 2 can be non-latching.

                    Kim

                    #54053
                    Dave Milbourn
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                      @davemilbourn48782

                      Kim
                      I used to reckon on 65mA for 6v GOW bulbs and 80mA for 12v – both plus or minus 10mA. Standard LEDs are generally reckoned at about 20mA each, so you're running yours at the bottom end of their power consumption/brightness.

                      PHS
                      The ACTion P43 Single Relay Switch is similar in operation to Mr RC World's Nano Relay Switch – except that in seven years the only failure I've heard of was someone trying to switch a glowplug through its 1A relay. ACTion units are all guaranteed, made in the UK and you will always receive a response from Component Shop (who make and sell them).

                      Dave M

                      #54054
                      P. H. Stones
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                        @p-h-stones25207

                        Thanks for all the interesting information which I will keep in mind for future reference. In answer to Malcolm's question I can say that in one case both the switch led and three boat lights come on and in the other just the boat lights but I don't think that switch has a built in led. I think 65mA to 80mA per bulb is about right so even the higher figure x 3 = only 240mA, less than a quarter amp in total, is not by any means excessive and should not harm the switch. Yes, Action products are well known and I have several, including a spare switch I can now try out. The beauty of Mr RC World's item is its compactness and ease of use but of course that counts for nothing if the units are unreliable. I would be very interested to learn of anyone else experiencing problems with the identical switches but perhaps my experience is an isolated one.

                        #54056
                        Colin Bishop
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                          @colinbishop34627

                          Going slightly off topic, you often see models using LEDs for navigation lights and lit up like Christmas trees! In fact, ship navigation lights are in reality quite dim and you need to look hard for them, especially when there is a lot of background lighting clutter (see below). In this respect grain of wheat or grain of rice bulbs do look more realistic on half their rated voltage although they still probably have a higher consumption than LEDs.

                          Colin

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                          In case you are wondering, the tug moves equally well in both directions and at this point it hadn't shifted to the green starboard light! It was assisting a ferry to move off the dock in high winds at Portsmouth.

                          Edited By Colin Bishop, Website Editor on 02/12/2014 17:21:08

                          #54058
                          Malcolm Frary
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                            @malcolmfrary95515

                            All of the switches on his site that I looked at had and indicator led. Are the lights supposed to be switched on or off by the switch? The fact that, according to how I read the description, they seem to light on power-up, is unusual, and leaves me wondering just how they are wired.

                            #54060
                            Gareth Jones
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                              @garethjones79649

                              On my model of Shemarah, which used one of the Action switches I wired all the lights so that they were normally on when the Action switch was unpowered. I also had a single fuse and master switch for the power supply to all 3 lighting circuits. Using that arrangement, when the model was displayed at a show I could have all the lights on or off without the need for any of the radio gear to be powered or a transmitter to operate them. However if I want to demonstrate the lights being operated remotely, I can do that with the transmitter, as long as I can remember how many times and in which direction to move the sticks (and is it the LH stick or the RH one, I can't remember which works the sounds and which works the lights and radar).

                              Gareth

                              #54070
                              P. H. Stones
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                                @p-h-stones25207

                                Having double checked the result of attempting to operate the two 'faulty' switches I can now say that :-

                                Switch 1 LED on switch does come on dimly but the boat lights do not whether switched on or off by the transmitter/receiver function.

                                Switch 2 LED on switch does light up when switched on by the transmitter/receiver function but the boat lights remain on regardless of the position.

                                I could not hear any relay switching Malcolm.

                                Bear in mind that both of these units operated perfectly when first used from new.

                                My view is that they should be scrapped unless Mr R C World gets back to me and that doesn't seem likely.

                                #54073
                                Malcolm Frary
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                                  @malcolmfrary95515

                                  Sounds like a job for a servo tester. Fairly cheap, and they can save an awful lot of thinking. A silly question, but it is tree light time of year – the lamps are OK?

                                  #54076
                                  Dave Milbourn
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                                    @davemilbourn48782

                                    Another blindingly obvious question – are the receiver batteries fully charged? Dim indicator lights and relays that won't pull in can both be consequences of voltlessness.
                                    DM

                                    #54104
                                    P. H. Stones
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                                      @p-h-stones25207

                                      Yes, the boat lights are fine and batteries fully charged. I'm awaiting delivery of another on/off switch from a different source and if that works well, I think it's reasonable to assume the two in question are faulty. I still have the Action switch too of course so something should work!

                                      #54160
                                      P. H. Stones
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                                        @p-h-stones25207

                                        Having carefully thought through the problem, I have come to the conclusion I might have been at fault. I failed to point out that the 25amp ESC has BEC which presumably means the lights should operate without the use of an extra battery. Or does it? I have in fact been using an extra 12v battery to provide power to the Nano switch with the output of course supplying the lights. Have I overloaded anything which could have damaged the switch or anything else for that matter? I now have a new Turnigy 30amp switch which has but three sets of wires, one to the receiver and two for the load and I wish to be certain I don't cause any harm. Your expert views please.

                                        #54162
                                        Dave Milbourn
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                                          @davemilbourn48782

                                          Your presumption may or may not be founded, but presumption isn't the best way of connecting electronic devices. Does it include a wiring diagram? If not then send it back. No decent unit should leave you to guess (or presume) how to use it.
                                          Turnigy switches generally don't have relays and you may have mistaken Volts for Amps.There is a 30v x 10A switch which appears in many places on the Internet (e.g. here **LINK** ) but I can't find a 30A Turnigy switch listed anywhere.
                                          BEC is covered in my article in the Winter 2013 MB Special and in more detail in a subsequent issue of the magazine. You can also find articles on BEC and relay-based switches on the ACTion website – just click on Diagrams and Articles>Articles for a list. **LINK**
                                          Dave M

                                          #54165
                                          P. H. Stones
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                                            @p-h-stones25207

                                            Sorry, my mistake, the switch is as you surmise 30V 10A and has a wiring diagram as stated previously. I bought this as I read somewhere that switches like the Nano have a relay which often fails and as you say, this one does not so I have no idea how it works. I will certainly refer to the articles you mention and thanks for that.

                                            #54169
                                            Dave Milbourn
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                                              @davemilbourn48782

                                              It has a semiconductor (a MOSFET) which will allow a high current to pass between two of its connections when a much smaller current is passed through one of them and the third. It will however only switch the negative lead from the battery to the load, whereas a relay switch isn't polarity sensitive. Relays are good for hundreds of thousands of operations if they are treated properly but if you exceed the rated voltage and/or current it will greatly reduce their working lifetime.

                                              DM

                                              #54184
                                              Malcolm Frary
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                                                @malcolmfrary95515

                                                The diagrams in the link show the unit switching the positive supply to the load, I hope that Turnigy have marked the leads appropriately. The semiconductors used are tough, but connecting them the wrong way round is a killer. Many semiconductor switches, for simplicity of circuit design and ease of sourcing components, switch the ground (negative) line. This one appears to work the other way.

                                                As Dave says, relays have the great virtue that their contacts are totally insulated from whatever is operating them, and offer versatility that semiconductors have yet to come near.

                                                #54225
                                                P. H. Stones
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                                                  @p-h-stones25207

                                                  I have installed the Turnigy as shown on the instruction leaflet and it is switching perfectly as of course it should. No extra battery is now required. I did try the Nano switches similarly but to no avail so they can be discarded but I still don't know if anyone else has had problems with Mr RC World items. I'll be wary of using any more of his switches though.

                                                  Many thanks to all those who have offered advice on this matter; it will be stored for future reference when and if required.

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