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  • #77347
    mike farrell 1
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      @mikefarrell1

      Just been given a Tug which was purchased 20 years ago but never finished .

      The electronics are all strange to me , F.M receiver but no Transmitter and appears to by a company named Fleet . 2 speed controllers (Fleet) but cannot find anything about the company .Any help or advice very welcomed

      Michaelwink

      #4502
      mike farrell 1
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        @mikefarrell1

        information required please

        #77348
        Colin Bishop
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          @colinbishop34627

          Fleet were a well known and respected company at the time but went out of business many years ago. Their equipment is not compatible with anything on the market today so you will need to strip out all the electronics and replace with modern 2.4ghz gear which is pretty cheap these days.

          Colin

          #77349
          Dave Milbourn
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            @davemilbourn48782

            Mike

            If you're going to keep the speed controllers then you'll find that the lead to the Rx plug is different from most current types of 2G4 receiver. Fleet used the centre pin (of three) as negative polarity whereas everyone else has it as the positive pin. This is very important – get them the wrong way around and it's grey smoke time. I'm not 100% certain but I don't think that Fleet ESC's had BEC either, so you'll need a separate battery pack (4 x 1.2v cells) for the receiver.

            Dave M

            #77351
            Charles Oates
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              @charlesoates31738

              Hi Mike, I still use a Fleet outfit in one of my old models, simply because it still works and I like the metal transmitter. I can confirm what Dave said about the speed controllers, you will need to change the plug to fit modern gear, but they should work. A budget 2.4 GHz tx and rx can be bought from about 30 quid, and they work just fine, so there is not a lot of money to spend. Let us know if you need help with anything.

              Chas

              #77353
              Colin Bishop
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                @colinbishop34627

                Dave/Charles – I thought there could be imcompatibilities in the pluse rate of new TX/RX and old style ESCs. Am I wrong?

                Colin

                Edited By Colin Bishop on 05/06/2018 09:52:41

                #77354
                Dave Milbourn
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                  @davemilbourn48782

                  Colin

                  It's possible that the Fleet speed controllers may want to "see" a pulse width of 1.3mS at neutral as opposed to what is the usual industry standard of 1.5mS. Back when they were made there was often a trim pot on the ESC to adjust the neutral setting but I've never handled one so I can't be 100% sure. A photo would help identification and further research. At the very worst they will be incompatible with new gear and Mike will need to buy two new replacements, but Fleet equipment is now a collector's item and I reckon he'd sell these on E-Bay for a decent price.

                  Dave M

                  #77357
                  Charles Oates
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                    @charlesoates31738

                    Hi all, I haven't a fleet ESC any more, but I'm using some re plugged fleet servos with hobbyking, and futuba gear without a problem. Selling them to a collector is a great idea, I've no idea what they are going for these days.

                    Chas

                    #77358
                    Charles Oates
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                      @charlesoates31738

                      I've just seen a fleet TX, RX and six servos on ebay It was last month and was unsold with a starting price of 30 quid and no bids. Maybe things are changing.

                      Chas

                      #77359
                      Dave Milbourn
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                        @davemilbourn48782

                        That being the case then it's reasonable to suppose that the ESC's will also work without any problem.
                        DM

                        #77362
                        mike farrell 1
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                          @mikefarrell1

                          Hi All ,Thanks for the rapid answers to my problem. Some will remember that I have been a regular contribiter to Model Boats but had a virus on computer and had to rejoin .

                          Further to first post the boat was The Yorkshire Man , no paperwork to guide me forwards . To all thanks as I will change the motors and discard the 12 volt dry cell battery and go brushless with Lithium batteries . There is a Bow Thruster fitter so will go for a 6 channel Transmitter .I will keep the Fleet receiver and speed controllers and separate power unit for the reliever

                          As usual when I,ve had a problem people have come to the rescue so thanks allwink

                          #77365
                          Paul Freshney
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                            @paulfreshney24971

                            Mike

                            Please note that the Fleet ESC(s) are only for brushed motors. They will go 'bang' if connected to a brushless motor, which they can't (!) as brushless motors have three leads and brushed only have two.

                            I have a 1990's Fleet ESC fitted in my HMS M15 which now uses Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2/DSMX transmitter and receiver, and it all works perfectly driving the brushed motors. The 'power' for the brushed motors comes from a 7.4v LiPo pack.

                            'On demand', a Fleet esc could originally be supplied with a Futaba/Hitec plug, but if intended for a Fleet receiver, they do have the positive and negative wires reversed as Dave M pointed out.

                            Yes, the Fleet ESC does not have a BEC (Battery Eliminator Circuit), so its internal electronics are powered via the receiver power supply. In practice, this means that the motor drive battery, usually a 6<12v SLA or 7.2v NiMH or 7.4v LiPo, can be left connected to the ESC, because when there is no signal/power from the receiver, it is all 'dead' with the power not going anywhere – or at least that is my experience, if the receiver is turned-off via the switch harness. The other big plus with the Fleet ESC's, is that they have a manual adjustment for the power range and neutral via 'pots' on the board inside the case. This means that you can easily set it all up on the bench, without delving into the electronic adjustments of the transmitter.

                            At the time – 20 years ago – the Fleet Esc's were the Rolls Royce of controllers and priced c£35, fantastically reliable and very smooth from zero to maximum power.

                            But I reiterate, that they are of course only any good for brushed motors since you mention keeping these ESC's and are intending to change to brushless motors.

                            Paul Freshney

                            (Happily retired ex-MB Editor!)

                            #77367
                            Bob Abell 2
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                              @bobabell2

                              Just saying Hello to Paul Freshney

                              It`s nice to know you are still involved and nostalgic memories of the Haydock Shows

                              All the best

                              Bob

                              #77369
                              mike farrell 1
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                                @mikefarrell1

                                Hi Paul ,Thanks for confirming the previous advice .I will put a complete new system in and change the receiver and speed controllers and batteries .

                                This will be a labour of love as I intend it its owner .Thanks again Michaelwink

                                #77375
                                Mark Jarvis 2
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                                  @markjarvis2

                                  Hi Mike, if you do change the ESC's would be interested in buying them off you

                                  Regards

                                  Mark

                                  #77381
                                  Roy Verden 1
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                                    @royverden1

                                    Hi I use the Fleet transmitters on Futaba receivers and Hitec, the 1.3 ms servo centring makes little difference but the Fleet Tx is so nice to handle. The Fleet esc is a nice one and will handle up to 12 volts at 10 amps.

                                    If you cut off the blue esc connecter to the receiver and buy some standard servo leads and connect red to red black to black etc. You will have a useable speed controller, same goes for the servos. You can then plug the leads into the receiver of your choice.

                                    regards Roy

                                    #77383
                                    mike farrell 1
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                                      @mikefarrell1

                                      Hi Mark I will be returning the boat when refurbished and will relate your interest in the speed controllers

                                      Hi Roy, Thanks for the advice ,I will store the advice for the future. Because the boat will need a 6 channel transmitter .The boat has a Bow Thruster and I wish to use the motors to assist the steering .

                                      I will contact Dave Milburn for advice for the info on a unit to control the separate motors

                                      Again Thanks Michael wink

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