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  • #16283
    jimbo68
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      I have a boat (as some of you may know) that I would like to re-spray myself. It has a fibre glass hull. What is the best way to take the old paint off ?

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      #16317
      ashley needham
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        Jimbo. You can get special paint stripper fo use on fibreglass, or go carefull with nitromors, but wet`n`dry sandpaper and elbow grease should do you. You only really need to get the surface flat. You also need to know what paint is on there at the moment as this will affect what paint you can use to finish it with. Cellulose and some acrylics react with oil based paint. As a point of interest you can get an Isolator that will cover any paint and can be sprayed over by any other paint, I used some on my Bond Bug when i re-sprayed it. It also stops cellulose attacking the gel coat on fibreglass. You wouldnt want to bother buying a big tin of this in your case of course. Ashley

        #16322
        jimbo68
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          Thanks ashley.

          #16363
          Paul Millers 1
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            Hi Jimbo, I have just finished stripping three old hulls back to the gell coat using a product called RemovAll 620 from Cirrus systems. They were painted with all types of paints and varnish and one had 12 layers of paint on it.  The result were first class with no real mess, the stripper is laid on with a brush and striped of with a garden hose water jet and if needed a plastic scraper. This stripper will not destroy  the gell coat, have a look at their web site, http://www.cirrus-systems.co.uk .

            #16366
            jimbo68
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              @jimbo68

              Thankyou Paul, looks just the job, I’m onto getting some right now

              #16382
              jimbo68
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                @jimbo68

                It’s £43 for 4 litres, smallest they do  , looks like I’ll be sandpapering it off after all  – lol

                #16384
                Paul Millers 1
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                  Jimbo, they do small sample pots at £5.99 inc p/p a couple would do most medium size hulls. I bought the 4ltr size and have sold off 2 ltrs to other modellers so I have stripped three hulls for around £5.00 each with some left over for another hull or project. See if you can do the same and sell some off to reduce the cost. Painting it on and washing it off seems a lot better than sanding and you don’t damage the gell coat.

                  #16387
                  jimbo68
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                    @jimbo68

                    ok thanks Paul, I’ll call em and ask for a couple of sample pots.

                    #16389
                    Mike Davidson
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                      @mikedavidson22772

                       Hi Jimbo, Ashley’s dead right, the best bet is to use wet and dry to key the surface to be painted, start rough, and work towards 600 grade. Once you have done that, test the paint you intend usingby brushing a little on a test patch that can be covered easily watch out for blistering or crinkling of the old paint underneath the new, it happens you know. Nitromors will also melt acrylic windows making them look horriffic, so don’t go thereand a really useful tip is to ensure that every last drop of paint stripper is removed before continuing to the next  phase,   /forum/smilies/tongue_out_smiley.gif[/img]haseDON@T] DON’T burn old nitromors, as it will generate a pretty passable nerve gas. It does wash off with warm water and soap, but whoever heard of a young lad going near soap and water.

                                          Have you got the best specimin carp prize yet ? is Bessie earning her keep ?

                      #16396
                      jimbo68
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                        Why not the paint on wash off stuff Mike, sounds easy

                        #16429
                        Paul Millers 1
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                          Jimbo, just a thought, don’t be in too much of a hurry to wash the stripper off. My small test patches showed a time of between 24 and 36 hrs to soften the paint down to the gell coat, the last hull I jet washed off after making sure that it was well fixed down and it only required a light rub down with 000 gauge wire wool with washing up liquid on the water. There were three or four small patches that refused to budge with the washer but these were removed using a styrene scraper and wire wool as the paint was softened down to the gell coat, just not soft enough for the washer.

                          To be fair I have now tried Nitromors on a scrap scale helicopter body and it will remove the paint very quickly and if you keep washing it off and re-applying in with a view to preserving the gell coat then yes it works, it is however time consuming and as paint will vary in thickness has still etched into the gell coat in places. Where this has happened It would be possible to fill these areas.

                          From my own point of view I would still go with the RemovAll 620 method, all I can say is that ‘it works for me’

                          #16444
                          ashley needham
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                            @ashleyneedham69188

                            Jimbo. By the time you have fiddled around with stripper you may just as well flat the body with wet`n`dry. Lets face it, you need to rub it down ANYWAY after using paint stripper! Ashley

                            #16447
                            Paul Millers 1
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                              Ashley, Jimbo said in his original post that he wanted to know the best way to take off old paint, I took that to mean remove it . As you say if it’s just a respray job and he knows the type of paint that  he is over-spraying and that is compatible with the new finish then that’s fine no problems.

                              If however he wants to remove the paint because he does not know the type of paint on the hull already then he is  better off striping it . Many hulls and fibre glass moulding these days have very fine detail moulded into them and striping is probably the only way to remove the paint and retain the detail.

                              With regard to flatting down mouldings that do have detail cast in I use wet and dry over the flat areas and then around the detail, rivets ect., I use a glass fibre pen to key the gel coat, without damaging the detail.

                              #16451
                              ashley needham
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                                @ashleyneedham69188

                                Paul. I take your point entirely. However, as its just a bait boat a bit, I have a sneaky suspicion there aint much fine detail on there! Also the surfaces look fairly flat to me ands so the wet`n`dry method would not be such a fag as, as you say, something with detail on it you dont want to lose. Ashley

                                #16453
                                jimbo68
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                                  Morning all.

                                  Having just read the last 3 posts I have decided  to rub it down with sandpaper first. There isn’t any kind of detail on the boat which paul may not have been aware of. The paint on there now is not even, and there are some patches where the paint is quite thick in places. I will then need an isolator like ashley said because I have no idea what kind of paint is on it now. If I am not happy with the finish after sanding it I will probably then take it all off using Remove all.

                                  #16455
                                  Paul Millers 1
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                                    Hadn’t a clue it was a bait boat, but would be interested to know more about this isolator that Ashley uses, Can you put a name to it and where it can be purchased Ashley?

                                    #16460
                                    ashley needham
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                                      @ashleyneedham69188

                                      Its called Barcoat Isolator. You use it to stop cellulose or other paints reacting with whatever is beneath the isolator. It also of course works to stop whatever is beneath the isolator affecting your whatever it is you are painting/spraying. Useful if you dont know whats already on there, or for instance the gel coat has been cut back a buit and absorbed stripper or something. Get it from Automotive paint suppliers. You apply it, then apply an undercoat that you can rub down, you dont rub the isolator down as of course that would defeat the object of sealing the surface.  Ashley

                                      #16598
                                      Mike Davidson
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                                        @mikedavidson22772

                                           You could always follow the example of the Mystery of Defence,When I was in the Fleet Air Arm maintaining deadly fighter bombers, they used to go away periodically for a spruce up, and in their wisdom they painted my shiny aeroplanes using two part epoxy paint, now that stuff set rock hard, and was highly resistant to any form of damage. I don’t have a clue what would have happened if they had sprayed it over oil based paint,but as a base coat, I think it must have been bomb proof. I prefer to use the graffiti artist’s favourite, spray cans of cellulose on my models as it gives the best finish I can get

                                        #16610
                                        jimbo68
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                                          @jimbo68

                                          Hi Mike, two part epoxy paint ? I know these pilots are flying into some sticky situations but that’s ridiculous

                                          I have decided on a design I want to do but it is going to mean using an air brush for some stensiling.

                                          Anybody any good with one of those things ?

                                          #16618
                                          Mike Davidson
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                                            @mikedavidson22772

                                               Ashley!   shame on you!   it’s not JUST a bait boat, it’s Bessie, Jimbo’s pride and joy, look at all the sleepless nights we have all had over that damned ESC. If it were my boat, I would probably opt to key the surface with wetand dry, and overspray, but I would be very tempted to give the boat a good coat of the isolator first, but that’s just me, I hate to feel like a big lemon when I take the boat down to the pond, and it’s all wrinkly   duh !   Take note Jimbo, when it’s all over we will be asking questions and awarding marks out of ten for your finished product. Is there a show where there is a concours d’elegance prize,I’m O.K.because my son gave me some 1600 grade wet and dry, that gives a finish like a baby’s "£$%&, I’d better not say what or this thread won’t get through the firewall. Let us know how you get on Jimbo……………………Mike     D

                                            #16619
                                            jimbo68
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                                              @jimbo68

                                              I was going to let that go Mike, but now that you’ve mentioned it – What do you mean by JUST a bait boat Ashley, what are you tryin to say ? lol

                                              I will probably give Bessie her new look after Xmas, carp don’t feed much after that till about March. Don’t like freezin me you know what’s off at the edge of a lake for nothin. Much rather be at home being given things to do by the Mrs.

                                              #16622
                                              ashley needham
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                                                @ashleyneedham69188

                                                jimbo. Obviously I meant by the "just a bait boat" remark to mean there would not be any fine detail on it, like wot would be on a destroyer or something.    Ashley

                                                PS whats all this lol business?

                                                #16625
                                                jimbo68
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                                                  @jimbo68

                                                  laugh out loud Ashley (silly ciber speak), coz I was just pulling your leg. ffs

                                                  #16667
                                                  jimbo68
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                                                    @jimbo68

                                                    was still pulling your leg when I put ffs Ashley 

                                                    #16675
                                                    ashley needham
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                                                      @ashleyneedham69188

                                                      Jimbo. no probs mate, but you never know with some poeple on the forum…

                                                      whats the "lol"  business about then?? and the "ffs" mean   ???   i assume its some sort of text speak? Ashley

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