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    Len Ochiltree
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      Right Guys,

      I have read lots of articles with white metal fittings mentioned.

      So what is white metal?is it an alloy, can I make my own fittings?.

      Len.

      #15713
      neil hp
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        it’s a mix of lead, tin, zinc and antimony, len.

        and yes you can make your own fittings. if you want to start easily the best thing is to get hold of some RTV (room temperature vulcanising) rubber from such supplyer as Alec Teranti of Reading in Berkshire. it’s quite expensive  though.

        you can use old Type setting letters from a printers as your white metal if you can get old of it, or buy proper white metal for casting, again from suppliers (listed on google.) I was once talking to an old friend Frank Hinchliffe and beleive it or not, his supply of white metal in his early days of Caldercraft where the tune pipes off an old church organ that he had bought from a demolition company and was working his way through a large pile of the stuff???

        You’ll need some mould release spray and some old block lego to make your moulds, along with some plastecine to put your masters in.For an old melting pot you can use an old soup ladle from out of the kitchen , but don’t tell the missis where it’s gone, and for gawd sake don’t use it again for yer tomato soup???

        Teranti do a small booklet about white metal casting to help.

        Once you get into it it is fun and enjoyable.trust me!! I wasn’t a used car salesman?

        #15721
        Paul T
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          @pault84577

          Len

          White metal fittings are useless as they are prone to bending and breaking try using pewter instead.

          Paul

          ps

          Pewter is a metal alloy between 85 – 95% tin with the remainder being copper and antimony. You can add lead to make a cheaper mix.

          #15722
          neil hp
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            @neilhp

            yeh, but for clumsy old sods like me, Paul who tend to knock their fittings when hanling them at the lake side, that bendiness is just the job….saves a lot of re building.take it from me.

            #15724
            Paul T
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              @pault84577

              Hi Neil

              That’s just the problem that I have with the Trent as the handrail stanchions are made from white metal, not only do they bend but they break as soon as you sneeze on them.

              Paul

              #15726
              Mike Davidson
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                @mikedavidson22772

                          A few model shops stock items from the Hobby catalogue which is quite good,I tried one thing from there, which was a heatproof silicone mouldingliquid and a moulding medium which I believe is the white metal you asked about    . They also do a mail order from their website http://www.hobby.uk.com

                I tried the moulding using their metal ingots and the silicone rubber mouldsbut I think I tried to make parts of my castings too thin, andthe metal set before it got to all the parts I wanted it to go.  Their catalogue is not cheap, but it is invaluable for selecting materials for your project, and you can’t fault the range of items they have

                #15727
                neil hp
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                  @neilhp

                  I’ve never used pewter, Paul. What’s it’s melting point compaired with W/M and what’s the price per kilo.cheers,neil.

                  #15730
                  Paul T
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                    @pault84577

                    Hi Neil

                    No idea how much p/kilo but it melts at 450deg just like white metal and contains the same basic metals such as tin so I presume that weight for weight of the base materials the cost would be about the same.

                    Paul

                    #15737
                    neil hp
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                      @neilhp

                      hi Paul. the melting point, if 450 is about 125 – 150 degrees hotter than the white metal that I use in my pot.

                      Also the RTV rubber from teranti’s is only guarenteed to about 350c . any hotter than that and it starts to go hard and brittle, and then cracks, so don’t know whether you could use pewter with RTV rubber.

                      the next thing would be to use vulcanised moulds but that’s a whole new and expensive ball game.

                      only wish I had the money for that set up!!

                      #15742
                      Paul Freshney 2
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                        http://www.carnmetl.demon.co.uk has a lot of very useful information about white metal and pewter casting + prices etc. This firm on this website can provide a casting service.
                        P. Freshney

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                        Len Ochiltree
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