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  • #88899
    Dave Cooper 6
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      @davecooper6

      Hi Folks,

      Decided to go 'where the wind blows' for my next boat project..

      A couple of challenges though :-

      1. Quite like the look of "Yacht Ardent" which I think, originally, was a Model Maker plan. I have, previously, seen this on Sarik's website, but, the name "Ardent" seems to now refer to a different model (a tug ?).

      2. Would quite like a quote from a laser-cut kit supplier to take said plan and deliver a kit (at least for the hull). Preferably, someone with boat experience !

      So, if anyone could supply the MM plan code, (assuming it's a Model Maker one), I could try and run that by Sarik unless, perhaps, someone has a plan for sale maybe ?

      Thanks for any assistance,

      Dave C

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      #2928
      Dave Cooper 6
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        @davecooper6

        New sailing project

        #88908
        Ray Wood 3
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          @raywood3

          Hi Dave,

          Have a look at Eddie's Ardent build, albums page 12 …….. Ardent & other boats

          Eddie's usual fine work from beginning to On the water 😄

          Regards Ray

          #88909
          Eddie Lancaster
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            @eddielancaster

            As usual Ray out of the trap like a greyhound. Hi, Dave the Sarik plan No. is SKU MAR 3022.

            Eddie.

            #88911
            Ray Wood 3
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              @raywood3

              Hi Eddie,

              It's raining here, and probably at Broadstairs? Teaching grandson no.1 George a few tips On the Myford this morning 😎

              Regards Ray

              #88917
              Eddie Lancaster
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                @eddielancaster

                Hi. Ray, no rain here at the moment, it’s cloudy and quite cool, it must e nice to have someone to pass on all your knowledge to, I am still hopeful that I maybe able to interest my grandson in something other than his games console.

                Regards.

                Eddie.

                #88919
                Dave Cooper 6
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                  @davecooper6

                  Thanks both. I see SLEC and Sarik are advertising on the columns to the right of the posting windows…..

                  I believe SLEC do kits based on supplied plans for aircraft, so, will try them.

                  Eddie – does Ardent sail well ?

                  Ray – do you have any spare capacity on your Myford ? I'm looking for a lathe (and Mill drill) at present but not having much luck on the more affordable used market.

                  Cheers,

                  Dave

                  #88920
                  Dave Cooper 6
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                    @davecooper6

                    Eddie – "MAR 3022" seems to relate to a group of plans on Sarik's website (about 5 pages worth), but, 'Ardent' was not amongst them ? This result was using their Search Box under 'Boat Builder Plans' section.

                    Bit of a puzzle ?

                    #88921
                    Dave Cooper 6
                    Participant
                      @davecooper6

                      Just found it ! "Under Sailing Boats and Yachts" (155) – with your SKU. – Most bizzare !

                      I think they need to work on their database search facility…

                      Dave

                      #88924
                      Eddie Lancaster
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                        @eddielancaster

                        Hi. Dave, I am very pleased with how she sails, for a scale yacht, even in quite strong winds, it took me a while to get the sails right, I had a lot of help from people on this forum, and I am sure you will get the same help and advice if you need it.

                        Regards.

                        Eddie.

                        #88937
                        Dave Cooper 6
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                          @davecooper6

                          Thanks Eddie – a few further queries if you don't mind…

                          I've asked SLEC to quote for a laser-cut kit, but, on looking at your build thread there doesn't seem to be all that much cutting out to do – at least for the hull frames ?

                          I'm a bit nervous about making the sails though. Is this covered on the plan /article ?

                          Also, I'd like to experiment with vane steering and Arduino control at some point. Others have commented that I'll probably need a 'Y' shaped backstay to achieve this. However, I'll probably start with conventional RC initially.

                          One other thing I'd like is to have a small motor with folding prop as a 'get-out-of-jail' option mid-lake. I think Dave M suggested (in another thread) that Graupner used to do an all-in-one motor /shaft /prop unit that seems ideal…

                          Any views /experiences here most helpful,

                          Cheers,

                          Dave C

                          #88939
                          Ray Wood 3
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                            @raywood3

                            Hi Dave,

                            Don't worry about sail making, Frank Parsons of Nylet will make you a Dacron set very reasonably, no real reason to have a motor on a yacht, they come in eventually 😄

                            Regards Ray

                            #88952
                            Dave Cooper 6
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                              @davecooper6

                              Thanks Ray – that's reassuring. I'm probably being over-cautious !

                              Coming back to lathes, is yours an ML7 ? I don't think I'll have room for a floor-mounted model, but, I'm currently looking for a bench-top one. About 2-3 foot between centres and 7.5" swing over the bed….any recommendations ?

                              Cheers for now,

                              Dave

                              #88954
                              Ray Wood 3
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                                @raywood3

                                Hi Dave,

                                Yes my pride & joy is the Myford Super 7 with the screw cutting gearbox, which I'm not clever enough and don't need to use for screw cutting 😄

                                The next size down Myford is the ML 10 which is popular with model engineers, but not much of a gap.

                                The cheaper Chinese machines are fine I don't think hold there value, but they are cheaper to start with 😉

                                The basic ML 7 is fine, I sold one a couple of years ago for £300 but it was well worn.

                                Regards Ray

                                #88955
                                Eddie Lancaster
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                                  @eddielancaster

                                  Hi,Dave, there is a sail plan on the drawings, and as Ray says if you are sailing on water that you have access all round there is no need for a motor. I cut my sail making teeth on the Ardent sails using the cheapest cotton bed sheets from Dunelm, but again as Ray has said Frank Parsons will be only too pleased to help you using the sail dimensions on the drawing, when you get to making the mast I can let you know how I have made several of mine using aluminium tube from B&Q.

                                  Regards.

                                  Eddie.

                                  #88958
                                  Dave Cooper 6
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                                    @davecooper6

                                    Thanks both. I guess the next stage is to buy the plan from Sarik.

                                    Eddie – I'll come back to you at 'mast time' – I have quite a stock of aluminium tubing now as currently making the rear wing spars for my sportscar. Is the mast likely to be taller than 1 metre ? If so, I'll need to make a join somewhere…

                                    Regards,

                                    Dave

                                    #88968
                                    Eddie Lancaster
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                                      @eddielancaster

                                      Hi Dave, the tube that I am using one size will fit into the next size up allowing you to make up any length required and to build in fittings such as cross trees and sail attachment points without drilling through the tube.

                                      Regards.

                                      Eddie.

                                      #88976
                                      Malcolm Frary
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                                        @malcolmfrary95515

                                        Rule of thumb for mast height – about 1 1/2 times the boat length for a Bermuda rig will look about right and work. About the boat length for a gaff rig.

                                        Having the spreader built into the joining splint works well. It means that the rigging not only does the job of keeping the mast vertical, it also braces it straight. An aluminium knitting needle about 3mm diameter makes a good spreader. Strong enough to do the job, wide enough to have a hole drilled each end to take the rigging lines.

                                        #88989
                                        Eddie Lancaster
                                        Participant
                                          @eddielancaster

                                          These are the fittings for my Ardent, the mast is 10mm. OD x 8mm. ID, the joining tube is 8mm. OD, the fittings are made with 10mm. brass bar with pieces of brass silver soldered into slots and a piece of brass tube for the spreader fitted into a hole drilled through the bar, each piece was then put in the three jaw chuck on the lathe and drilled through 8mm. to fit the 8mm. ally tube, the main10mm. tube then fits top and bottom of the fitting held in place with a spot of cyno.

                                           

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                                          Eddie.

                                          Edited By Eddie Lancaster on 12/06/2020 14:14:37

                                          #88993
                                          Ray Wood 3
                                          Participant
                                            @raywood3

                                            Hi All,

                                            I fabricate the same sort of fittings for the mast & gooseneck for the boom from brass, but I use 6mm od diameter carbon fibre tube for the mast which is black, which as many yachts of the 70's & 80's had black anodized masts so a spray over the fittings of satin black looks good, the mast on Comanche is 1 metre tall.

                                            Regards Rayimg_20200612_151618.jpg

                                            #89030
                                            Dave Cooper 6
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                                              @davecooper6

                                              Thanks all for the info',

                                              I knew a lathe would be useful somewhere along the line !

                                              I found that machining carbon fibre needs a good dust collection system otherwise my shelves etc get covered in fine carbon dust…whereas, with good old-fashioned ali' and brass I can get away with a dust pan and brush.

                                              Not tried silver soldering yet but, have just bought a new TIG machine to try out…maybe on very low amps ? Otherwise, a butane /propane torch and the right flux and solder ?

                                              Regards,

                                              Dave

                                              #89034
                                              Eddie Lancaster
                                              Participant
                                                @eddielancaster

                                                Yes Dave the latter should be adequate for these small jobs with .5mm. silver solder from Polly models.

                                                Regards.

                                                Eddie.

                                                #89409
                                                Dave Cooper 6
                                                Participant
                                                  @davecooper6

                                                  I tried both "Belair" and "SLEC" for a quote for a laser cut kit for yacht Ardent.

                                                  No reply from Belair (probably not their thing as they do mainly aircraft stuff)…

                                                  SLEC replied (eventually) but want to see the plans first, plus a list of required parts – I would have thought they could work that out from the plans !

                                                  As I'm just looking for an 'order of costs' at this stage I was wondering if anyone else has similar experience.

                                                  Eddie – looking at the plans on-line, there doesn't seem to be all that much fretting /cutting out to do ? Is that fair comment ? (I'll be doing it manually)…

                                                  Regards,

                                                  Dave

                                                  #89410
                                                  Ray Wood 3
                                                  Participant
                                                    @raywood3

                                                    Hi Dave,

                                                    Join the cutting club it won't take as long to do as you have been thinking about it 😄

                                                    Total hull cost £40 in ply

                                                    Regards Ray

                                                    #89412
                                                    Eddie Lancaster
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                                                      @eddielancaster

                                                      Hi. Dave, yes you are right, all of the frames are straight lines on the outside, I used a scroll saw, but a band saw would have been better, the inside cuts need a scroll saw, or a hand fretsaw would do. For everything else I used a craft knife and razor saw. Ardent was only the third boat that I built so I was at the start of the learning curve, and I am still on itlaugh.

                                                      Regards.

                                                      Eddie.

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