Riverside Models Narrowboat : Sealing and Finishing

Riverside Models Narrowboat : Sealing and Finishing

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  • #61448
    Tony Fenton
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      @tonyfenton32936

      Well, I've searched and read loads of posts on here about sealing wooden hulls, etc. and now more confused than ever!

      As an absolute beginner for a first time build I am constructing the Riverside Models narrowboat (1:12 model length 50&quot which is 1.5mm ply on wooden frame and so far a lovely build which is great fun!

      As I'm building it I am starting to consider how to seal the hull. The instructions say to use something like GRP to strengthen the bow area (which is obechi planking on top of balsa) – I'm thinking of using Eze Kote for this as suggested by a review in Model Boats magazine.

      However I'm not sure how the rest of the skinned plywood hull should be sealed. I was thinking about something like Deluxe Materials Sand'n'Seal for the outside, sanded and then finally painted. But I'm not sure what, if anything, I should do with the inside of the central and stern sections of the hull?

      I'm not confident in using a mix of tissue / cloth and resin so would like to just rely on brushing on a resin, sanding in between coats to get a smooth finish on which to paint.

      I've used Deluxe Material Aliphatic glue for everything, so the joints should be waterproof.

      Has anyone got any suggestions?

      #2522
      Tony Fenton
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        @tonyfenton32936
        #61450
        mike farrell
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          @mikefarrell21522

          Hi Tony I am currently building a scratch 1/12 scale Narrow boat and have just sealed the boat ,I always use red floor paint as used on Garage floors, Used this paint on all wood hulls and never had a leak other than through the prop shaft The only problem with it is the brushes are difficult to clean so I buy cheap brushes ,use them and throw them away .You can rub down the paint after it has hardened to get a nice finish .

          Paint can be bought from your local DIY shop for around £5 ,hope that helpswinkMichael

          #61452
          ashley needham
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            @ashleyneedham69188

            Tony. Whatever you want to use will be OK. Paint, specialist sealer. Eze-cote, Zpoxy, resin. Take your pick.

            Obviously something used with glass cloth will strengthen the hull if you are likely to be ramming U-Boats, best not to use ordinary fibreglass resin as it takes a while to go off and is difficult to sand.

            Everybody has their favourite. There is no right or wrong here. Generally I now use eze-cote as an initial water-proofer and then ordinary household undercoat and whatever on top…Humbrol/ polyurethane paint/red oxide below the waterline. BUT there again virtually all previous builds used nothing more than paint.

            Ashley​

            #61453
            Tony Fenton
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              @tonyfenton32936

              Mike/Ashley – thank you both for the advice, that's set my mind at rest now. Reading through the various posts I was getting confused as to what was needed and starting to think waterproofing is a tricky task! Really looking forward to the rest of the build. I won't be ramming U-Boats so I'll skip fibreglass just got to do some more research on the radio control now!

              #61490
              Martin Field 1
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                @martinfield1

                Tony, because you're using balsa/obeche, I would use an epoxy. Probably find that a 1 litre pack of WEST or SP will be cheaper than specialised modelling resins. Get them from ebay sellers or your local boat chandlery. Always mix till your arm drops off before applying and try to use in a warmed up room, 12 degrees or warmer, without too high a humidity. Painted inside generously with poundshop chinese bristle brushes, you should have no problems internally.

                Externally, be generous without leaving runs. Rub down when hard and then use sanding sealer (cellulose) for the general finish as a primer and sealer for the lengths of ply on the hull, roof and cabin. It'll need at least 4 coats, depending on the surface quality of the ply. But cellulose sanding sealer can be recoated within half an hour and then sands beautifully. I'd do this smelly job outside though! After that, just use your favourite paints. I recommend you use enamel paints as water based never seem to work very well, often reacting even with themselves. That never happens with enamels. Remember that the hull of a narrow boat is always blacked with tar which is glossy for all of a week! So do the hull parts in a satin black, the upperworks in gloss.

                Good luck,

                Cheers,

                Martin

                #61493
                Tony Fenton
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                  @tonyfenton32936

                  Thanks Martin for the great advice – much appreciated ! I've got the stern completed now and just started on fitting the balsa backing for the bow section. Planking to do next !

                  Are you advising the epoxy for just the planked bow section, or for the whole boat – followed up with sanding when hard then sanding sealer all over?

                  #61494
                  Martin Field 1
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                    @martinfield1

                    Well, if you don't mind using more epoxy (it ain't cheap!), then do all of the hull. I would use an old credit card to apply it to the flatter sections. This helps it soak in better and uses far less epoxy. 2 coats like that will give you a good skin.

                    My wife and I restored the historic wooden working boat Heather Bell a few years ago and I used the above method for epoxying the brand new back and fore cabins I made for the boat. A good rub down and priming with red oxide and two coats of high build super alkyd resin enamel paint and it looked like steel! I got my paints from Tra-Mar Coatings, but I don't know if they're still going. Mark made our paints specially for us using more pigment than the standard paint. And he never charged us a penny! Last year I used some of the tin he marked "Heather Bell Burgundy" to restore my 56 year old Aerokits Sea Urchin back to its original condition and it went on beautifully.

                    But I digress…if you want to save on epoxy, just concentrate on the bow, then sanding seal the rest, but please pay the bit extra for cellulose sanding sealer. It really is worth it. Water based paints on wood is just daft<G>

                    Cheers,

                    Martin

                    #65408
                    Tony Fenton
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                      @tonyfenton32936

                      Just a final update after lots of work and thank you to everyone for the great advice! Here's the model, Narrowboat Tamoura on her maiden voyage last night :

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                      #65410
                      Martin Field 1
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                        @martinfield1

                        Well, all seems to have turned out well! Glad you got there in the end.

                        Cheers,

                        Martin

                        #65411
                        Colin Bishop
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                          @colinbishop34627

                          Looks great Tony, well done.

                          Colin

                          #65419
                          Tony Fenton
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                            @tonyfenton32936

                            Thanks guys – and thanks for all of your (and others) help here for a newbie!

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