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  • #56877
    Robin Bartle
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      @robinbartle23646

      Hello

      Wanting a woodwork project to work on with my five year old son, I've got a plan for a Vic Smeed boat called Moonwind. It's a plywood-built speedboat style thing with an open cabin – 27 inches long and 9.5 inches wide.

      The woodwork is not too intimidating.

      What I don't know is what I need by way of prop/propshaft/motor/battery/esc.

      Could any kind soul make a suggestion? I'd like it to be fast enough to amuse my son but we're not going to be entering any races! I don't know what it's going to weigh. Cheap and cheerful is the order of the day. I've got chargers for all types of cells.

      I think my 40 meg radio is legal for boats, so no problems there.

      As someone who's forever building something he knows little about, I never cease to be amazed at how generous people are with advice on forums like this, so thanks for any replies in advance!

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      Robin Bartle
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        #56880
        Dave Milbourn
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          @davemilbourn48782

          Robin

          Go for a 540 motor with a 7.2v NiMH battery pack. The MFA 540 Standard motor sold by Component Shop is just the ticket; they also sell batteries. **LINK** A 2-blade 30mm dia prop would be OK but you might find that a 3-blade prop of slightly larger diameter but finer pitch suits the model better. Plastic props are fairly cheap so you can experiment with different ones. Either way the prop shaft should be 4mm dia, threaded M4 at both ends and running in either a 6mm or 8mm OD brass tube with bronze or plastic bearings at each end. Use a flexible coupling between the motor and prop shaft rather than the more usual Huco UJ type. The flexible types are much quieter and more efficient. I buy my prop shafts and couplings from Model Boat Bits.
          MTroniks speed controllers are popular. I have certain reservations (largely because I used to be in competition with them as a manufacturer!) but they are compact, cheap and cheerful and have the benefit of not coming directly from China. If you damage one then frequently it will be replaced FOC by the manufacturer – you can't ask for more than that. The Viper Marine 15A is the one to go for. The Viper instructions have a photograph of a complete installation (motor, receiver, speed controller and battery). If you want the very best speed controller then buy an ACTion P80 – but I have to admit a distinct bias here!
          I have written an article about the electrickery involved in model boats – you can access it from the homepage of this website or just click on this link **LINK**. You should find it useful.

          Incidentally Vic Smeed was the doyen of model boat designers – you've made a wise choice of model. Good luck!

          Dave M

          #56883
          Paul T
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            @pault84577

            Hello Robin

            I would totally agree with my learned friend and only add that ebay can be source of 540 motors, don't be tempted to buy cheaper ESCs from China as they always blow up.

            DM is also correct in saying that the ACTion P80 is the very best ESC and should never let you down.

            Good luck with the build and please ask if you get stuck anywhere.

            Paul

            DM brown envelope to the usual address.

            #56886
            Dave Milbourn
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              @davemilbourn48782

              No prob, Doc! I'll bring it myself at visiting time. One point I must emphasise, however –

              Robin – beware of buying a motor unless you know what's going on inside it. For example, you'll find two 540 motors on the CompShop website. One is the standard type which has a relatively high number of thin-wire windings on its armature and turns at moderate speed with a 7.2v battery, The other is a much higher-powered beast and will rev at twice that speed on the same battery. I wouldn't recommend it for a beginner's model. It will also drain the battery a lot faster than the other type (or even blow up your speed controller).

              Many of the so-called 540 motors on E-Bay were designed to run cordless power tools with high-ratio gearboxes and are totally unsuitable for model boats unless geared down. They are, however, very attractively priced! My point is simple – why save a couple of quid on an unknown motor when you can avoid all the problems by buying one which is tried, tested and recommended?

              Dave M

              #56894
              Robin Bartle
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                @robinbartle23646

                Thank you so much to you both – problem solved in almost no time.

                Thinking about it I've got 7.2V NiMH battery packs in some flying things (pardon me if it's bad form to mention those on this site) and I'm pretty sure the motors in one or two of those are 540s. I'm guessing though that model plane 540 motors are NOT suitable in this context..?

                I might try an old plane ESC though, unless that seems rash.

                Doesn't look as if it's going to break the bank anyway.

                Dave, the name of Vic Smeed is a very evocative one for me. As a child I could afford to buy RCM and E and that sort of thing every once in a while and his name often seemed to be on the free plans. I could rarely scrape enough pocket money together to actually build one, but I do still have a "Starlet" 36 inch yacht built to his design some decades ago. Of course kids give you an excuse to revisit this kind of stuff…

                Thanks again.

                #56898
                Colin Bishop
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                  @colinbishop34627

                  The forthcoming Model Boats Special due for publication on 24th April features a comprehensive article about Vic Smeed together with a list of all his known model boat plans by Tony Hadley. Tony's article is complemented by Dave Milbourn's build of Vic's Twinkler cabin cruiser design so you can be sure Dave knows what he is talking about above!

                  Colin

                  #56900
                  Dave Milbourn
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                    @davemilbourn48782

                    Robin
                    You're already falling into the trap, m'duck!
                    Your aeroplane ESC will not have reverse (which can be useful, especially with a five-year old steering) and the 540 aeroplane motor will almost certainly be one of the high-power ones. The 'right' MFA 540 is nine quid with a mounting bracket, and a Viper Marine 15A ESC (with reverse….) can be bought on FleaBay for twenty quid. The most expensive part of the package – the battery pack – will transplant with no trouble at all. Other than that it's probably best to leave your aeroplane stuff in your aeroplanes.
                    Dave M

                    #56905
                    Tony Hadley
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                      @tonyhadley

                      Robin,

                      It would be interesting to see photographs of Moonwind, either as the build progresses or the finished model.

                      There is a thread under the 'All things floating' heading specially for Vic Smeed's designs titled – 'Vic Smeed's Model Boat Designs' and the last photographs posted are of Dave Milbourn's Twinkler.

                      #56918
                      Robin Bartle
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                        @robinbartle23646

                        Reverse? Possible I didn't think that through. Thanks again.

                        Tony, I do promise to post some photos although it's not exactly going to be a Concours D'Elegance winner and as it's going to be built almost entirely from assorted scrap I may wait until it's painted before I dare expose it to public ridicule.

                        Anyway my problem is thoroughly solved and I'm very grateful indeed. I'm going to ebay now to make my purchases.

                        #56920
                        Dave Milbourn
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                          @davemilbourn48782

                          I'm going to ebay now to make my purchases.

                          Another soul lost to The Dark Side……………………….. "Tried we did, but to fail doomed we were".

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                          Live long and prosper (or was that another daft space thingy?)

                          DM

                          #56952
                          Kimosubby Shipyards
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                            @kimosubbyshipyards

                            DM – Live long etc is Spok

                            "Always pass on what you have learnt" – is a good one from Yoda! Could apply to U 2…..

                            Kimmo

                            #56954
                            Paul T
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                              @pault84577

                              She canna take it captain,

                              To boldly go where Bob hasn't been before,

                              #56961
                              Dave Milbourn
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                                @davemilbourn48782
                                Posted by Kimosubby Shipyards on 31/03/2015 19:28:38:

                                DM – Live long etc is Spok

                                "Always pass on what you have learnt" – is a good one from Yoda! Could apply to U 2…..

                                Kimmo

                                I tries me best, m'duck, but there's frequently either not quite enough pearls or just a few too many swine. BTW I did know who made the weird salute and in which TV show/film series he did it – the remark was intended to draw out the Trekkies. You have been sussed, Mr H. Qo'noS tuHmoH SoH!

                                DM

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