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  • #125713
    Bob Wilson
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      @bobwilson59101

      I thought it was just me,  getting zero interest, but when I look closely at all postings, the last postings in most cases were weeks, months or even years ago, so it looks very much like the hobby is dying out.   Not long ago, a model firm offered me a  kit for a trawler for£619!    I had never dealt with them, and haven’t built kits for many years.    I ignored it, but they have persisted in “offers,” and the price has quickly gone down to £364!   This seems to indicate a lack of interest.     Lack of posts here may simply be because it is almost “mission impossible” to sign in these days.    I generally leave it signed in, but it still tends to drop out without warning, and getting back in again is a major job!

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      #125714
      Colin Bishop
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        @colinbishop34627

        It is just a general decline Bob which has been going on for years. I have noticed that a lot of older modellers (like me!) are attempting to offload their boats as it is becoming an increasing faff to run them, especially when there are no convenient local waters. Once your knees go then launching needs a willing friend or a sort of zimmer launcher/recoverer. (photo below)

        But there are still a lot of very active clubs so don’t write off the hobby just yet.

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        #125715
        Ray Wood 3
        Participant
          @raywood3

          Hi Guys,

          This old chestnut again 🙂 obviously the change from practical skills to computers has killed off the average child’s opportunity to have access to anything sharp and build models, my own club Chantry MBC down here in Kent has a thriving membership of over 60’s mostly retired and is our social club, I know your not a model boat club person Bob but don’t write us all off just yet. It’s fair to say our membership Invicta & Lysander Jan 25 2 don’t actually build many boats these days but there is a good trade in second hand boats within the club, helped by our WhatsApp group 🙂

          It’s true to say the format change of the forum lost a lot of the old core of modellers who posted and the fact that on Android devices about a month behind 🙁 I only use my laptop these days and have made a lot of friends through this forum.

          This picture was taken at Christmas, most of the members must be in our tea hut 🙂

          Regards  Ray

          #125716
          Stephen Garrad
          Participant
            @stephengarrad28964

            Don’t write us all off Bob, just because you cant see us doesn’t mean we aren’t here. I may not have much to say about my models, I couldn’t do a build blog but I log in every day and what others are doing is always interesting. We’ve a very active, although small, group in Gloucester, older we may be but still active, half a dozen meeting twice a week on the canal.

            Dont write us off yet!!

             

            Stephen

            PS I do like your drawings Bob, they are very similar to some of those by C V Waine in my book Steam Coasters.

             

            #125717
            Bob Wilson
            Participant
              @bobwilson59101

              Thanks for replies.    I really did wonder what is going on.    I have been a member of the North West Model Shipwrights Society for over thirty years, but over the last year or so, hardly anyone built model ships – more aircraft than anything else.   At one time, I took a new model every month, but I could almost see eyes glazing over when their glances accidentally fell on them, so eventually I stopped taking them    At last year’s AGM, they dropped the name “Shipwright” from the title, just becoming North West Model Society, and although I am still a member, I have not been for months. 

              ——

              I have most of the excellent C V Waine books, and once got a book manuscript accepted by  him.   But it was cancelled by mutual consent before publication, because he decided that my models did not come up to the high standard he required of his authors!

              This sort of treatment helps me greatly.   I never got out of the lower grade at wood and metalwork at school, my last report on ability being “poor to moderate!”

              So I began plodding along to self improve.    I had always admired the Waine drawings, so strove in that direction as well, and although I am still not quite as good, I am getting there!

              My model shipbuilding downloads are very popular, probably because they have a world-wide band of followers, are dirt cheap, and specialise in merchant ships only, and fetch in a steady income!   No feedback or comments necessary on them, because they have paid, and tend to come back for more.

              But as far as forums go, I am phasing myself out, because it is just a waste of time, and not very satisfactory “playing to an empty theatre!”   Probably a flaw in my character, but I can’t help it!

              Bob

               

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              #125720
              Colin Bishop
              Moderator
                @colinbishop34627

                You are just too niche Bob! Fantastic models but not something model makers seem to be interested in. I have always appreciated them though.

                I make models to satisfy myself. Great if others appreciate them but no skin off my back if they don’t.

                Colin

                #125722
                Bob Wilson
                Participant
                  @bobwilson59101

                  I agree, I made them for my own benefit, as well as to sell, so I can still gain personal satisfaction from drawing them etc.    But I feel that I am really wasting my time being on a forum that simply will not talk (isn’t that the purpose of forums?)   I don’t mean about my work particularly, but looking at replies to all the other posts, it seems to be pretty standard to keep silent. 

                  Bob  

                  #125727
                  Richard Simpson
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                    @richardsimpson88330

                    Bob, when was the last time you posted on somebody else’s thread?  When did you last make a comment, offer advice or encouragement to others, share your experience or even simply make a remark on any other thread other than one you started yourself?

                    #125729
                    Ray Wood 3
                    Participant
                      @raywood3

                      Hi Bob,

                      I must agree with Richard, your on the wrong forum for your type of modelling, which I would not classify as model boats or anywhere near. You do seem to have a prophet of doom attitude towards modelling you have been posting this and similar comments for 5 years as I recall.

                      Regards Ray

                      #125730
                      Bob Wilson
                      Participant
                        @bobwilson59101

                        Thanks for replies.     I have answered a number of threads, and one even visited North West Model Shipwrights on account of our exchanges here.     I have probably been saying things like this a lot more than five years.    I am not a prophet of doom, as you say, because whether the hobby revives or not over the country, or the whole world, it will not affect me in any way, because I am finished with model shipbuilding.   Not by choice, but allergic to glue fumes.    I  am unlikely to offer encouragement or comments to subjects that I am not interested in, but I do take your point that it works both ways, so I can not really expect many comments from members not interested in my models, so, as you say, why persist.    I suppose it is for “old times sake” because many years ago,my writing career began with the Model Boats magazine in the 1960s, and continued on and  off until fairly recently (2019)   I  was asked by the editor to do more, but was not able to oblige at that time, as I was awaiting eye surgery (viscocanalostomy).   Anyway, it was 100% successful, but by the time I was back in service again, the editor (Martyn Chorlton) had gone, so that was the end of that!      In view of this, I will “bow out”   and not bother you any more.   This is not “sour grapes” because I will still be here, and may occasionally reply to someone if the subject interests me.      I am now devoting all my energies to writing and drawing, and that will all be out of the public eye, and published by myself in the form of downloads  At the age of 81, I am pretty much washed up, but my writing skills and brain are still working at 100%     More eye surgery coming up shortly, but only cataracts this time.

                        Bob 

                        #125731
                        Colin Bishop
                        Moderator
                          @colinbishop34627

                          Bob,

                          I have always enjoyed your posts of your work as I also like miniature models and collect them. But you do seem to come across as rather miserable that other members don’t appreciate your work. The reality is that they do but it isn’t necessarily for them.

                          I enjoy reading Richard Simpson’s steam articles in the magazine although I will never build a steam powered model myself. I am happy to admire the skills of others whilst confining myself to the more mainstream construction I am familiar with and enjoy.

                          In the latest issue of the magazine there is an article on building the motor yacht Bluebird of Chelsea using 3D printed components. I would never want to go down this route myself but can appreciate the achievement of the builder who is satisfying his own particular aims in mastering 3D printing. More power to his elbow. It is a hobby and what (ultimately) floats your own boat is all that matters.

                          Colin

                          #125732
                          Bob Wilson
                          Participant
                            @bobwilson59101

                            But someone does, having sold just over £65,000 worth of them over the last 30 years, (and paid tax on them) I feel more than  amply compensated, and I am certainly not miserable.     In fact I am feeling rather relieved that it is all over –      

                            #125733
                            Richard Simpson
                            Participant
                              @richardsimpson88330

                              Bob,

                              I have looked back through your posts over the past year and could not find one on anyone else’s threads but your own.

                              Early last year I posted a thread detailing the build of the Ben Ain, which ran to four pages.  Most other members made a comment but it didn’t start a discussion.  I didn’t expect it to, steam isn’t for everyone as Colin says.  You didn’t make a comment of any kind.

                              I am not really a puffer fan but I always commented on the puffer build threads, I would never make the kind of models that Ashley builds but I always comment on his threads.  He probably does more to attract newcomers and youngsters than the rest of us put together.  I made a point of stopping commenting on your threads however as every time I did I realised it was being used as a basis for further complaints and arguments.  If the few remaining members here cannot share a friendly and positive word between themselves, offer a bit of support and encouragement or share an experience as a basis for some advice then there seems to be little point in it.  You have never even tried to be a part of that and seem to be solely driven by a wish to generate feedback on your own work.  People eventually get fed up of the one way traffic.

                              #125734
                              Bob Wilson
                              Participant
                                @bobwilson59101

                                Well that is OK, because I am off.   But when I looked at the topic lists, the replies to anyone were few and far between – weeks, months and even years.    I suppose it is because as a full time model shipbuilder, I was fed up of being taken advantage of, and always ending up the villain.     Example, I had a call from one of my clients for whom I had not even started their model, to be asked when it would be ready.   I said that I had not started it yet, only to be asked “Can you speed it up, I have already sold it?!”    They didn’t have to tel me they had already sold it, did they?

                                Sold another for £400, and the buyer sold it a few days later for over £1,000.   

                                I just accepted things like this, but over the years it wore me down, and I am more than happy that it is all over. 

                                But as I said, I will not trouble any of you again, although I will still speak when spoken to. 

                                Bob 

                                 

                                #125735
                                Colin Bishop
                                Moderator
                                  @colinbishop34627

                                  The perils of mixing pleasure with business! For most of us model boating is just a hobby with no commercial intrusions. You have inhabited a rather different world where cash is king.

                                  Colin

                                  #125736
                                  Bob Wilson
                                  Participant
                                    @bobwilson59101

                                    That is very true, but cash was never king with me, I just wanted enough to survive, and a fair price,  and I rarely got the minimum wage, and didn’t even ask for it.    I was burned out as far as the sea was concerned when I left in late 1992 after 31 years.   I was on a very good salary, doing voyage on, voyage off and getting paid all the time – 5 to 6 week voyages, on a brand new British passenger liner, and wife could travel free whenever she wanted, but increasing electronic technology was getting me down, where each modern improvement was harder to operate and harder to repair than it ever had been before.   Leaving was like recovering from a long-standing illness that one had got used to.    And now model shipbuilding has gone the same way.    Enough is enough.    Writing is great, and I never ask for feedback, as the payment is enough!    No-one knows what I am doing until I publish it! 

                                    Bob

                                    #125737
                                    Ray Wood 3
                                    Participant
                                      @raywood3

                                      Hi Bob,

                                      As by your own admission you have been a professional model maker for years, as colin says we do it for fun it’s a shame you could’nt find that satisfaction in the building as a hobby 🙁

                                      Regards Ray

                                      #125738
                                      Bob Wilson
                                      Participant
                                        @bobwilson59101

                                        Hi Ray,

                                        I could have done, but my glue allergy prevents me from building them any more.    And regarding my so-called non-participation, my message box shows in excess of 350 conversations.   I have always stopped everything to help fellow model shipbuilders, with information, and supplying free plans and photographs – (I have a vast plan archive , with permission to use as I will, of merchant ships over the last  150 years).     And I have said this numerous times – I seldom get so much as a simple “thank you” by e-mail for the help I have given over the years!

                                        Another thing I have noticed – I often get requests for information and advice via e-mail or private message, where I would prefer them via the forum so that  more members could benefit from my replies.     This has created the illusion that I never interact.     But it is an illusion, I assure you.

                                        I can’t remember if I have told you all this before, but I gave this model away free of charge, and it took months to build, complete with electric motor and rudder linkages for radio control.   The recipient sent  a friend to collect it –   Guess what?    Not even  a simple phone call or  e-mail thank you – nothing!   The paving slabs it is standing on are 18 inches, so that gives you some idea of the size.

                                        Bob

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                                        #125749
                                        Len Morris 2
                                        Participant
                                          @lenmorris2

                                          This has been an interesting thread to follow with valid comments from all.

                                          The one thing I think we all miss was a feature of the old site which was the ‘Number of Views’ to any particular post.  The current ‘number of voices’ is almost self evident.

                                          I think the old feature would have allayed some of Bob’s concerns.

                                          Len 

                                           

                                          #125752
                                          Colin Bishop
                                          Moderator
                                            @colinbishop34627

                                            The same comment has been made several times on the Model Engineer forum. Unfortunately the people setting up the new forums were unable to find a way of doing this – assuming that it possible in WordPress anyway.

                                            Colin

                                            #125753
                                            Bob Wilson
                                            Participant
                                              @bobwilson59101

                                              Len,

                                              Yes it would.   The word “voices” means nothing to me.    Incidentally, now that the Northwest Model Shipwrights Society has been renamed the North West Model Society, I see they have reduced their membership fees to zero!   I have not been for a while,  mainly because all the roadworks have added a 20 mile detour to get to Grimsargh from Preston, along the Preston Road.

                                              I don’t really know how they are getting on, because the monthly newsletter (Digest) has been discontinued. 

                                              Regards

                                              Bob

                                                

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