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  • #103466
    neil hp
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      Originally had only made 6 x barred "lights" for one boat cabin, although I had cast a greater number and had left the others virginal and unfinished.

      But at the moment cannot find that original 6, but did find 16 port lights that hadn't been worked on, so have done that today, and onc the glue [cyano] has set hard I'll file the overhanging bars down to the radii of the ports!

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      #103471
      neil hp
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        @neilhp

        "The time has come,' the Walrus said,.
        To talk of many things:
        Of glues ,and ships, and sealing tacks, of fillers,
        and rigging strings!"

        Hope you like my parody of a famous poem by Lewis Carol,

        but as I lay out all of the fittings of the three models, two of which I am building and 1, I am supplying to a friend which I promised before I had even started the project, I have now realised that I have no more building work other than now to concentrate on the two hulls in the garage/workshop.

        And so! tomorrow I shall be having a good straightening up of the work surfaces, getting rid of some junk and re assigning some parts and boxes to other areas.

        Time has come to start sanding and then building two 61' Barnett class lifeboats………..no excuses to put it off any longer.

        Just some of the boxes of fittings that I have finished preparing, sanding and readying for painting anf fitting. the other boxes are still in the workshop…….actually overwhealmed by the amount I have done over the past couple or so months.

        I'll add up one day how many go into furnishing the model.

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        #103587
        neil hp
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          @neilhp

          First chance I have had today is to get on with a small but important job, and that was to cut the bow breakwaters for both boats.

          However the two boats have different shaped and length of breakwaters.

          The RNLB Princess Mary of Padstow has a much shorter breakwater than the RNLB William and Kate Johnston.

          I had to copy on the printer and then cut out a paper template first for the longer Will and Kate to draw round it and transfere onto the 3mm ply that I was going to use!

          So the easy way was to cut out the wooden parts was to cut one side of each boat, and then nail that to a second piece of 3mm ply and cut out the second side using the first one as an identical template.

          Job done, I can now continue to sand the side edges of each boat before i fix in to place the breakwaters, and then the over deck which I will cheat and draw the planking on to the ply timber to be used.

          Hopefully I will be able to get that done on at least one of the boats tomorrow.

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          #103588
          neil hp
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            @neilhp

            The breakwaters for the bow of each boat i am building have now been drilled as 20mm approx spacing in the centre of the 3mm thick ply with a 0.8mm drill bit to take the same diameter 25mm framing pins, and set in place with odourless superglue.

            Once they are set, they will be set straight and at 90 to the bottom of the breakwater so that they are matching the holes i will drill into the hull deck tomorrow and dry fit, but once the bow fairlead roller has been placed and glued on to the bow itself

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            #103595
            neil hp
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              @neilhp

              Now that the breakwaters have been shaped and cut for each boat, it was the time to fit the gob eyes, and the first to be fit was the pair for the RNLB William and Kate Johnston first.

              The cast resin pair of fittings was drawn on to the the breackwaters, and in my own particular way I drilled the inner marking with a 1mm bit and then cut them out with a scalpal blade, finally sanding down the wood to take the fitting.

              They were then glued in place with 30 minute epoxy glue, and left to set.

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              #103602
              neil hp
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                @neilhp

                Well that process went a little better than I thought it would.

                The breakwater bulwarks for the longer parts have been fitted in place without any real drama.

                The possitions of the pins was marked onto the deck and then drilled with a 0.8mm bit, dry fitted to make sure the holes were in the correct possitions with only a very small amount of adjustment with about 6 of the 28 or so holes and then 20 minute setting 2 part epoxy was added and the breakwaters were set in place and held down to the deck simply with masking tape.

                There were a couple of gaps between the breakwaters and the deck which was expected and a small amount of sorting and filling between the two bow gobeyes and the main roller casing, but once the epoxy has set hard later today, all gaps can be filled and the joint for the gobeyes to the roller bracket will be filled and shaped with milliput………

                Next will be the Princess Mary with the short Breakwaters, but first i will have to find and fit the open cleats for this one, as she didn't have gobeyes fitted.

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                #103603
                neil hp
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                  @neilhp

                  The woodwork on the1st breakwater, the RNLB William and Kate Johnston has now been completed with the capping piece and its support glued in place and given a uniform gap of 2.5mm between the timber breakwater and the plastic Roller frame.

                  And this gap between the two will be moulded in to a shape blending in with the gobeye this evening if I can find the stuff to do it.

                  And whilst waiting for the epoxy to set on the first breakwater, i located the roller cleats for the RNLB Princess Mary and cut those in to her breakwater set of bulwarks.

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                  #103604
                  neil hp
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                    @neilhp

                    The breakwaters and gobeyes have now been faired in to the main bow roller housing using Milliput white and some nice warm water and fingers to smooth it all down

                    Had I done it with any type of filler I would not have reached the same effect with filler and had I used fillers I would have had to do a great deal of sanding just to have reached the same state that I have reached so far with milliput and warm water!

                    Now all it needs is a gentle sanding to take out any finger prints, and the shape of what I wanted has already been acheived.

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                    #103609
                    Ray Wood 3
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                      Hi Neil,

                      That is a nice detail at the bow

                      Your method of fixing the breakwaters with pins is a good'un, some advantages to building bigger models.

                      Bloomin freezing again today !!

                      Regards Ray

                      #103617
                      neil hp
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                        @neilhp
                        Posted by Ray Wood 2 on 17/01/2023 09:50:48:

                        Hi Neil,

                        That is a nice detail at the bow

                        Your method of fixing the breakwaters with pins is a good'un, some advantages to building bigger models.

                        Bloomin freezing again today !!

                        Regards Ray

                        cheers Ray……….Gives it some support when it hits the concrete bank lol

                        as for cold, the second boat has now come in doors to have its bow breakwater fitted……co cold to work in the workshop.

                        #103618
                        neil hp
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                          @neilhp

                          The RNLB Princess Mary has now had her very limited break water fitted in the same way as the Will and Kate.

                          they add some perspective and presence to the two boats at last.

                          I will fair this set in to the main roller block later today once the epoxy has set and cured as I did with the first boat yesterday, and then set too, sanding them down tomorrow, as my daughter has an early start tomorrow at work, and will want a lift………

                          So the rest of the day is time on my hands.

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                          #103680
                          neil hp
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                            @neilhp

                            I must have MUG tatoed on my forhead, but people see me coming!

                            Was asked nearly 6 months ago if I could sort a friends jet drives out on his MBD Shannon……..so went round and had a look………..It was still sunny and warm/.

                            Told him to get rid of the brass rods between the servos and the KMB buckets, that seemed to be broken the buckets And buy some aeroplane "snakes". all quiet for two months, then a call can you come and look at it as I've been told you can buy better looking buckets……..so off I go!

                            That was 3.5 months ago……..the brass rod still in place but the snakes were there…….which I showed him how to order on ebay.

                            Can you have a look and see what I can order……….so on to the internet and found what I was looking for…………there you are……..just order them………can you and I'll pay you back…………..NO! YOU order them and if they are wrong, then you can send them back……..

                            10 days later………….can you come round as I cant remember my passwod to get on………….

                            An hour later we had found his passwords and ordered them.

                            9.5 weeks and a lot of moaning because they hadn't arrived within 2 weeks from Hong Kong later and I picked everything up!

                            Three days later, and a lot of progress I hope to have it ready tomorrow,…….. day four!

                            I HATE MODEL SHANNONS, AND JET DRIVES, with a passion……..as nothing fits universally, and EVERYTHING needs to be worked on and adjusted to fit!!!

                            please someone put my name forward for a humane society medal.

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                            #103688
                            neil hp
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                              @neilhp

                              Got a little side tracked over the last few days fitting the Oceanworks knozzles and buckets to the exhisting KMB water jets on a friends MBD Shannon, and so couldn't get down to the much needed sanding of the hulls of the two Barnetts I am building.

                              However I finished the jets on the shannon, but as it is still too cold to work comfortably in my workshop, I brought one boat in to the house, and sanded it down to a state where I can fit the over deck onto the oroginal sub deck I laid on to the cross beams months ago.

                              Once this deck is laid I can finish filling the bulwark above the moulded belting and sand down flush As suck I have laid the very wide "king plank" and the cross seperating planks for and aft of the deck opening.

                              I am going to cheat on these two large models and draw the planks on to the 1:32 birch faced ply with a black draughtsmans pen once all the deck is laid, making points for where the deck lights and other fittings will go!

                              I'll give the whole hull a sanding as a key for my mate Dave Stavros Jones to work his magic on them before my trip to North Wales with them as and when ready, but now that I have made the start on sanding and decking, I hope it won't be too long away.

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                              #103693
                              James Hill 5
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                                Not a MUG Neil, just a bloke willing to help a friend out ( and others ) when a problem arises.

                                Your progress gets more interesting each time we take a look.

                                Jim.

                                #103703
                                neil hp
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                                  @neilhp

                                  Thanks Jim………i try, lol.

                                  anyway……..progress this afternoon to getting it ready for final painting.

                                  The six remaining deck panels have been cut and dry fitted to shape and take the basic contour of the bulwarks.

                                  I now need to mark and cut out the rectangles for the deck lights to sit in to before I glue and weigh the panels down with batteries

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                                  #103708
                                  neil hp
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                                    @neilhp

                                    I love this point in a build WHEN the hull is almost ready for painting, as one of the boat hulls is, and all of the fittings are just lying there and ready for painting and "plonking" on to the boat.

                                    I can now more than just imagine from photos what she will look like once all comes together.

                                    SO! will glue the decks down tonight with aliphatic waterproof glue and batteries for weighing them down, and fill the edging joints in with Dolphin Glaze filler tomorrow and then sand those edges off before doing the same on the second hull in the next couple of days, readying for taking to Wales.

                                    One final job on the hull is to place on to the hull the wooden belting that follows the "boot topping" strip that is the deviding line between the blue upper hull and the green lead anti fouling on both boats.

                                    This will be fabricated from 6 x 4mm obeche' wooden strip, glued on with 30minute 2 part epoxy.

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                                    #103723
                                    neil hp
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                                      @neilhp

                                      The rectangular holes have now been cut into the main decks to receive the deck lights for the RNLB Princess Mary, and the decks have now been glued in place as stated earlier.

                                      They will be left to set over night.

                                      The decks for the RNLB William and Kate Johnston will be cut tomorrow and worked on over the next couple or so days before gluing in place.

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                                      #103728
                                      neil hp
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                                        @neilhp

                                        The whole of the decking has been laid on the Princess Mary and left to set.

                                        The partitioning planks around the hull access and the main backbone of planking the length of the boat have been added.

                                        All ply has been glued with quick grab aliphatic waterproof glue made esbecially for timber and recommended by builders, so the advert says…….have been using it for a number of years, and wood to wood stays stuck!!!

                                        A word of warning though as to the blue tipped spring clamps bought in Poundland, for a quid a pack of 4…….ok for clamping pieces together no more than an inch thick, but any thicker and they spring off, and have had two break on me already……….buy cheap, buy twice, sorry to say in this area. .

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                                        #103735
                                        neil hp
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                                          @neilhp

                                          This afternoon I have cut out roughly the six panels for the deck of the RNLB William and Kate Johnston, the second boat that I am building along side the RNLB Princess Mary, and is very slightly different to the latter, because of the bow break water.

                                          These panels will be trimmed and all glued in place tomorrow , before sanding flush with the deck shaping.

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                                          #103737
                                          Richard Simpson
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                                            @richardsimpson88330

                                            I still can't believe the size of these two! I reckon one of these would do the length of Windermere with someone inside it!

                                            Great jobs Neil. What are your plans for these two, are you keeping one and sailing it? They are certainly going to look pretty stunning on the water.

                                            #103738
                                            neil hp
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                                              @neilhp

                                              hi Richard………..yes, they are beasts and weigh quite a bit too……….solid builds.

                                              The William and Kate Johnston, which was based at New Brighton all her life , I am building for a friend who lives close to New Brighton,and who lost a big collection of lifeboats in a workshop fire last year,

                                              And the one with the funnels, the Princess Mary I am building for myself to sail……….Its always rough at Fleetwood and so i'm building this to sail in most conditions. lol.

                                              #103741
                                              neil hp
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                                                @neilhp

                                                The first boat to have the deck overlays to be fitted is now ready to have the upper part of the hull, above the belting to be readied for painting.

                                                This means that I have to trim any excess ply decking that overhangs the line of the deck before filling the gaps with Dolphin Glaze filler. and once filled and sanded will form a perfect deck line that will give the boat a nice sharp line. around the deck line.

                                                To trim the deck timber I shall use one of my spokeshaves that I haven't used in a long while.
                                                then with all the batteries for weight, and some carpet tape to hold the ends down, I will glue the deck panels down for the second boat, and eventually shave the excess off and fill that boat too.

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                                                Edited By neil howard-pritchard on 31/01/2023 13:34:06

                                                #103742
                                                neil hp
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                                                  @neilhp

                                                  Now why throw old batteries away even when life extinct is declared on them?

                                                  They make perfectly excelent glueing weights for just such things as decks to beams on model boats!

                                                  I cannot calculate how many times i have used them all for all of the models i have built over the years, and still using them.

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                                                  #103743
                                                  neil hp
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                                                    Looking through the very vague plans for these boats to see if I had missed anything I found two items on both boats!

                                                    One was a number of brackets which were just eyebolts most probably either for rigging or for tying mooring buffers too!, and so made those out of copper wire and plasicard bases, glued together with odourless cyano..

                                                    And the other set, just two off each boat and from the lines drawn on the plans in oposite directions these were brackets for tying the log line to….so, I made these in a similar way with thinner brass wire with the two loops in opposing directions.

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                                                    #103744
                                                    Richard Simpson
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                                                      Neil, do you know they are for the log line? The reason I ask is that, if the boat is towing a log line there would have to be a unit for the cable to be attached to that will have the counter and speed reading in it. Is there one of those somewhere?

                                                      A log line doesn't seem to make sense to me as, in my own experience, we only put them out when we were deep sea and we were doing a steady speed on a consistent course. Maybe they have use on a lifeboat if the boat is going a significant distance, but it certainly could not be out if the boat was in enclosed waters or manoeuvring.

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