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[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Jim,

The plywood hull doesn't need glass clothing for strength, I would only glass a balsa or maybe Liteply hull to give a better surface to paint. The birch ply we use is good stuff, and I prefer to glue my obeche spray rails and strakes to the wood and fair them into the proper shape with P38 filler.

I like to use dress making pins to hold the rails in position with Gorilla glue and remove them and fill the holes later, I'm not a Cyano fan for large areas as it's fairly brittle well only the cheap stuff I buy is

Transfering images from one laptop to another can be done with a memory stick quite easily, keep us posted.

Regards Ray

 

Edited By Ray Wood 2 on 24/06/2022 09:03:19

[Chris EParticipant @chrise]

Posted by James Hill 5 on 23/06/2022 21:47:02:

……………..I can`t post any pictures of anything at the moment as I`ve just changed my laptop and I need to move the files from the other machine to this one and I`m not that clued up for that sort of thing so I`ll wait till I can get help.

Jim.

 

Nice model

You should have all you information backed up which makes transferring it very easy. This protects you against computer failure.

Edited By Chris E on 24/06/2022 09:12:45

[Dave Cooper 6Participant @davecooper6]

Hi Jim,

There are a number of different ways of doing a 'mass transfer' from one machine to another. However, I usually use the opportunity to do some clearing out along the way (old folders, corrupt files etc.).

If you have "CD" (Compact Disc) drives on both machines this makes life easier. This has the advantage of making a 'back-up' (safety) copy of all your important stuff as you go…..

The alternative is to use a large capacity 'memory stick' and take everything across in one fell swoop. You can then do your housekeeping on the new machine. This will also make a back-up, but, memory sticks often get miss-laid or over-written I find.

Hope this helps,

Dave

[Chris FellowsParticipant @chrisfellows72943]

Hi Jim

Building has pretty much stopped for me as well as now doing summer things. I did do a bit of drawing a month or two back for another boat design but that's pretty much it.

As well as your model boats photographs, do you have other photos, files and documents that are irreplaceable? If so, then please don't rely on just keeping on a current laptop etc.   Too many folks have lost all their model boat and other photos etc.

I have a standalone (well two in fact) hard-drive with plenty of capacity that I back-up everything to on a regular basis – I don't like relying on the Cloud or third party hosting sites.

Chris

Edited By Chris Fellows on 24/06/2022 11:20:06

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Thankyou gentlemen for your suggestions.

I think a memory stick is probably the best option for me, then I can put all the relative subjects together.

A good sort out can be done at the same time.

When the current build is complete I need to make a start on restoring the Marblehead yacht otherwise it will sit in the garage for some time.

I`m surprised how hooked you can get with this hobby. When I joined the forum I had one boat that hadn`t run for a long time, another that had no electrics and hadn`t seen water, now two more that have been built and one to restore. I`ve learned a lot from very helpful people.

Jim.

[Richard SimpsonParticipant @richardsimpson88330]

I'm with Chris, all my files including all photographs, writings such as articles, recorded music, backed up e-mails etc are all kept on a separate hard drive, which is also backed up occasionally to another hard drive. Anything stored on a machine or in the cloud can potentially be accessed and files can be lost or corrupted by far too many ways.

Store your data on a removable drive and unplug it when you are not using it.  I use SSDs for the quick access and compact size.

Edited By Richard Simpson on 24/06/2022 16:22:37

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Thanks Richard,

The last few text messages have given me good advice and I shall use it when sorting things out.

Jim.

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Just a couple of pictures of progress on Rays Cigarrete Jim

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Jim,

That looks familiar

That's a good looking prop ! which I could afford such luxury items ! I had the cheap old black plastic one

Isn't it great not to have a cabin to build.

Kind Regards Ray

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Hi Ray,

I wonder how many modellers have,or are having a go at building one? The prop on mine is one I treated myself to for use on the Pilot boat before deciding to fit two motors etc. so didn`t use. It looks a bit fearce to me but I `ll see how it performs. I have a plastic one as well in the box of bits,

Someone on the forum a while back said he was building two Cigarettes for his sons. I often wonder how he got on or is getting on.

At the moment I`m building a cradle for the motor and trying to line things up at the same time. Not having much success at present as I think I`ll need another shaft, as I think the current one has been cut slightly off centre at the motor end which is why I`m having trouble lining up. Trouble is, I could get the next one with the same problem!

As you say, it makes a change not to be building a cabin. A lot less detail to deal with.

When the Cigarrete is complete, I really need to get on with trying to restore the Marblehead yacht.

I tried a couple of times to find out rigging information from the M Y A but had no luck. What I did find on their classification list is that the one I have seems to date pre 1985 so I`ll keep going. An interesting challenge for me.

Best wishes,

Jim.

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Jim,

I have probably heard or seen 6 been built, one I really liked had had the sign written name and flag professionally printed onto stickers which looked great, a couple built in the USA as far as I know

I never solid mount the motor leaving it on a flexible mount secured with rubber bands as the Huco type couplings never run quite true never seems to be an issue.

Regards Ray

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Hi Ray,

It must be nice to know that your time spent making the drawings for the boat is being rewarded by modellers given the chance to build something they might not normally find. In my case, I was keen to have a go because of my interest back in the early 70`s when we used to travel to watch the Cowes -Torquay offshore races. Those were the days when the Americans used to bring over their big V8 engined boats. The cliff tops between Swanage and Portland Bill was our favourite viewing place. You could hear the boats coming from a long way off.

I know what you mean about the Huco type couplings . Probably me being too fussy.

Regards, Jim.

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Gentlemen, I have an electrical mystery which I`m struggling to understand.

The current build is using an Absima 2.4 Ghz transmitter and receiver ( new ), an 8.4 volt 3300Mah main battery with an inline on/off switch and fuse and an Mtroniks 40 ESC.

After wiring everything up and switching power on it all ran. After a few minutes of checking that wiring was`nt going to interfere with anything the rudder servo refused to work ( the running wasn`t continuous ). all the lights on the esc and receiver had gone as well. Swopping leads around didn`t make any difference. The battery was charged , just in case it had drained, but still no luck. I replaced the rudder servo with another one and exactly the same thing happened, everthing worked and then the rudder servo stopped working again.

After trying to make sure connections were ok, the fuse blew ( 35 amp ). New fuse in but now have no rudder control and the motor now runs flat out when you just switch the esc on and the forward /reverse stick is central so no control of the motor either.

After reading this saga I wondered if anyone can see anything I may have done wrong. Maybe something obvious I just haven`t spotted.

Will have another go tomorrow.

Regards,

Jim.

[Richard SimpsonParticipant @richardsimpson88330]

All I can think of James is changing out the components individually to see which one resolves the issue when removed. Obviously check that the battery is fully charged, if you can do a full cycle so you can see what charge it contained and what charge it then takes that would be useful, if your charger does that for you. If not just charge it up. Cells have been known to be duff in new batteries so trying an alternative would prove that.

Then I would try removing the speed controller, power the receiver from a separate battery and plug a servo into each channel individually to see what works.

With the combination of faults you are experiencing there might be a possibility that the speed controller is not giving a steady supply to the receiver so hence the strange behaviour. Taking the speed controller out of the equation will prove it.

It might also be worth binding the receiver again to be sure communication is OK as well as setting up the speed controller, assuming it is the type that has a set up button on it as opposed to the one that sets itself automatically. Is it a Viper?

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Hi Richard,

Many thanks for your reply and suggestions. The esc is a Viper Marine 40 which does have a set up button on it.

The instructions with the controller and receiver are a little vague. Probably someone with more experience than me would understand them better and I think this is where things have gone wrong in that I`m most likely not setting things up the correct way. Would an incorrectly positioned aerial affect things? Not that you have a lot of choice as to where you could put it..

Very strange. as things worked to start with. I will have to get some more fuses then will start from scratch again and try your suggestions and see what happens.

In the meantime. many thanks, your help is much appreciated.

Regards,

Jim.

[Dave Cooper 6Participant @davecooper6]

Hi Jim,

Richard's 'step-by-step' approach is the one to go for.

Funnily enough, I usually start at the motor and work backwards ! What type of motor do you have brushed or, brushless ? For brushed, you can just apply the correct voltage to the two motor terminals.

For brushless, you'll need an ESC known to be good. Generally, they're pretty reliable but, I have had one go down last year when it dropped a phase out…

Also, I quite often take the radio out of the loop and prove all the circuitry out first. Blowing a 35 amp fuse suggests something is seriously amiss – check for shorts /faulty wiring etc.

Good hunting,

Dave

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Hi Dave,

The motor I`m using is an Mtroniks 600 brushed. Like you, I was surprised when a small circuit like you have in the boat blew a 35 amp fuse. No idea what caused it but I`m thinking some thing in the receiver department isn`t right. I`ve not come across this binding method before so it`s a bit of a mystery to me. The step by step method suggested by Richard is a good one but I`need to make up some connectors to be able to try it. until then just check to see if I`ve missed anything.

Jim.

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Just been looking at the albums.

A question for Ray. How do you move in your workshop without breaking anything? It`s jampacked with a lot of work. . The production line looks like it`s in full swing.

I returned my problem esc to Mtroniks who said it looked like the power stage had blown and offered a reduced price replacement. A brand new one arrived yesterday with no mention of price so a big shout out for them . Will certainly use them again.

Jim.

[Richard SimpsonParticipant @richardsimpson88330]

Mtroniks are known for their superb after sales service.

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Hi Richard,

I hadn`t known that before now, but certainly agree with you. An e-mail of thanks will be sent Monday.

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Jim,

Yes it does close in on me at times I have to have a major clear up and hoover if I want to run any trains !!

And I'm trying to arrange a mini bar / beer fridge

I thought it looked pretty tidy ! you should see my shed

Glad you sorted the speed controller

Regards Ray

Edited By Ray Wood 2 on 30/07/2022 19:19:50

[geconParticipant @gecon]

Good morning Ray

you could suspend a fridge/minibar from the roof beams…if they could take even more weight. Or excavate one below the deck and motorize it to self-raise to bar height. You would be "sailing over the bar" when it wasn't in use. .

Sorry for intruding James, going away…

Edited By gecon on 31/07/2022 07:05:00

[Dave Cooper 6Participant @davecooper6]

Space, space, we all need more space…..

I have a feeling that if I had an aircraft hangar for a workshop it wouldn't take long before it was full – perhaps a hangar with a workshop attached then…..?

Dave

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Hi gecon,

Never a problem joining in. Always great to hear from others.

Hi Dave,

I`ve seen pictures of Rays workshop before but his production rate is what amazes me. He never seems to stop!

I spend a fair bit of time in the garage ( being retired ) but I couldn`t keep up with Ray. I reckon if he puts anything else in his workshop, he`ll be moving in

Jim

[James Hill 5Participant @jameshill5]

Asking a question regarding the angle of deflection on the rudder servo. Am I right in thinking the amount of angle is governed by the amount of travel on the rudder stick on the transmitter?

I ask the question as, on setting mine up, I only seem to get an angle of about 5 deg either side of central. The servo is a Futaba. Are there servos that would give a bigger throw or is what I`ve got more or less the norm? Just wondered.

Jim.

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