Thames Sailing Barge Stuff

[Andrew B 1Participant @andrewb1]

Hi the two vangs ( wangs ) on a full size barge control the 4th corner of the sail, and the sheet end of the tops'l by acting on the outer end of the sprit. The 2 wires have a tackle at the bottom, which comes to the deck very near the main horse.

In a model barge, if you put a functional block at the outer end of the spreet you can replace the 2 vangs with one continuous string, and you only need one servo. Make fast on deck just forward of main sheet horse, run up to end of sprit, through block and down to corresponding position on the other side, i,e just forward of horse, where is goes down below decks and to the servo with a simple arm to sheet in/out as required, in line with main sheet position on another servo.

I would reccomend 'Sailing a Thames Barge Sail by Sail' very cheap, from TBSC sales officer.

[Andrew B 1Participant @andrewb1]

I would also sign on to Facebook and join the group….model thames sailing barges

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Simon,

My TID tug with a 400 brushed motor & 35mm 3 blade prop on 6v moves Veronica at a fair pace regards Ray

[Simon Harlett 1Participant @simonharlett1]

many thanks Andrew for the speedy response. I have joined the Facebook group which looks extremely useful. I may ask for a diagram of vang and mainsail rigging to servo at some point as I’m still learning the lingo with regards to the different term used.

[Simon Harlett 1Participant @simonharlett1]

Ray, if a 400 motor pulls a Veronica, then that’s the way I will go! Certainly a lot cheaper than an 800!

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi All,

Veronica's in drydock for winter repairs & maintenance, going to be faster next year, new topsail on the agenda

Regards Ray

[nick vinerParticipant @nickviner52422]

What a lovely looking model,

Cheers Nick.

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Yes she is, I take no credit for her build, Peter Simmonds of the Isle of White built her I have added new sails and a grp winged keel to make her more competitive as good as any on the day, I'm owner/caretaker/skipper

Regards Ray

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Ray

Nice pretty picture of your barge being towed

But………Would a barge be towed under full sail?

Just nit pickin'

Bob

[nick vinerParticipant @nickviner52422]

It would if it was clearing harbour.

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Bob,

I'm sure the mainsail brail ropes would have the sail pulled into the mast in real life there was no wind that morning, I think the crew were still asleep !

Regards Ray

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. All, a bit more progress on my TSB Veronica,

The hull is almost finished,as you can see it is painted and some fittings added.

The hatch tops need to be fitted and then covered with cloth and the battens and hooks with the wedges.

The radio gear is under the forehatch.

The main hatch holds all the servos. The servos are all on boards that are screwed to supports so that they can be removed if/ when anything goes wrong.

The rudder servo is under the back cabin. All the cords and sheets are in, all as suggested after my last post, I just need to fit an arm to the servo that controls the vangs.

Eddie.

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Eddie,

Your building at quite a pace!! well done all looks good I've started started drafting a Giralda at 1/24th scale for traditional plywood build and toying with the idea of a super lightweight version Epoxy/glass sandwich, It used to work for racing dinghies why not a barge??

All the best Ray

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Ray, thank you for your kind comments, that is the easier bit out of the way, but now on to the rigging and sails, but now that I have something tangible I can relate the information that I have to what I have in front of me.

I will be interested to see what you come up with on your next build.

Best regards.

Eddie.

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Eddie,

I couldn't recall if you have made your sails yet? but big discussion on sunday morning about the virtues of Wonder Webb as sold in needlework shops for hemming , here is the go-faster main for Veronica

Regards Ray

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Ray, yes the sails are made, all with sewn hems and bolt ropes sewn on and hooks, eyes and cringles to fix them to the jackstays, forestay and sprit.

What is different about your go faster sail, is it just larger or made from a different material? or is that top secret at the moment! It looks good on what I assume is the kitchen work top. I will check out that Wonder Webb next time i'm in town.

Regards.

Eddie

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Eddie,

No magic just a better fit right down to the hatch cover to stop the wind escaping, you are well on if you have finished your sails, when you get her finished I'll come up and give you a race, or if your down at Broadstairs you could come to an AMBO race at Herne Bay ?

Regards Ray

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Ray, I'm pleased that your new sail will be down to the hatch as mine already does that, I thought I would have to remake it, but perhaps not now.

I have already spoken to my friends about meeting them at Bluewater when you are there and going to Herne Bay when AMBO have a race there.

Regards Eddie.

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi gents,

very nice models , indeed!

Now I'm making triple stayfall tackle , to be able to continue with the rigging for my Gusty Cat .

I can reccommend next pages > http://www.boat-building.org/learn-skills/index.php/en/wood/making-blocks/

> there are next interesting articles.

 

Greetings

Tom

Edited By tomarack on 27/10/2018 21:53:28

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Tom, nice to hear from you again, I have just started to rig the main mast on my Veronica, what fun! I will post some photos when its done.

All the best.

Eddie

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

..Hi Eddie,

I have the main mast almost ready to install too ,as I wrote, there is no stayfall tackle. I have to shape the parts of the tackle, and put it together – a few more hours of work before me . Parts of .blocks are made of brass the same way I made these for Capricorn . Sorely no new photos at present ..

All the best

Tom

 

Edited By tomarack on 28/10/2018 16:34:29

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Eddie,

Here is a snap of Veronica's shrouds and backstay location, keep us posted with your rigging

Regards Ray

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Thanks once again Ray, your rigging is all in front of the leaboard roller, I will do the same, on the drawing the topmast running backstay is located behind the leaboard roller about 130mm further back.

The masts are quite firm even without the backstays so they only need to take the pressure of the sails and to hold the forestays firm.

I have tried the mainsail in the wind today and all seems to be fine,with good control from the winch, I think I can also control the vangs from the same winch as suggested some time ago, so reducing the number of channels and servos needed.

As soon as I have tied up the last few ends, ( pun intended) I will post the results of my efforts.

Regards Eddie.

[Martin Field 1Participant @martinfield1]

Gents, I have been asked to make a master pattern for a cast resin 4mm -1 ft. scale TSB. Knowing very little about them I am asking your help. Which type/actual barge would be a good choice? The guy is leaving it up to me to choose and whilst I am au fait with different types of TSB, I am not so clued up on which would likely be the best one to depict as a scenic accessory for model railways which is where this one is intended to go.

Thanks in advance,

Martin

[Andrew B 1Participant @andrewb1]

Eddie/Ray,

On a full size barge, the backstay aft of the leeboard roller is the Topmast Running Backstay, and supports the top of the top mast preventing the mast from bending too far forwards due to the pressure ( on a stays'l ) barge from the Stays'l. The real life crew have to let them off and do them up again whenever the barge tacks, and certainly of the they want to put the mains'l in the running position, otherwise the weight of the sail or sprit on the backstay will snap the topmast backwards….this is the reason they are not modelled on a functional sailing model.

As I think I've mentioned before my vangs are on the one servo, and I've just tested my leeboards – out of the water only, which are on another servo positioned with a wooden servo right across the bows in the void space I have there, I have a 3 position switch on my Tx which if you think about it is perfect, (Port one up and Stbd one down), (both in a mid semi dropped position), (Port one down and Stbd up )

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