3D Printing

[mike farrellParticipant @mikefarrell21522]

Hi All , Recently I attended a show at the boat yard in Lincolnshire where I saw first hand a young couple with the dreaded machine . Impresssed so watched for a while . A question was asked which promptly made me think ,not for a long time .question ,can y our machine make this ,a model winch .Yes but it will take the time to plan the shape and then over 6 hours to make .. Cost prohibitive Machine not in range of most modllers Fancied a laser cutter so went to the local man with the machine ,how much for that machine ,£2000and it will only work with A4 size sheets .Back to the fretsaw and sander

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Bob and all,

I've just been posted on my "recomendations list" a 3D printer at only £700 (less £1) by Rapidonline, an electronics firm I use for my Arduino supplies and stuff.

Kimosubby.

I know – what's an Arduino?

Edited By Kimosubby Shipyards on 17/08/2013 09:54:49

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hi Kimmo

I also fancy a 3D Printer…..It sounds fascinating!

What could I make, that would please the wife?……lol

Bob

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

You could make some of these Bob: **LINK**

Colin

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

To use a 3D printer you also need to be able to draw in CAD 3D in order for the machine to understand what to make. It is possible to take a 3D photos to programme the printer but you would still have to make the original for the photos, Its a kind of self defeating process.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Ha! Ha!……They would take some drawing, Colin?

Paul…..You`ve put me right off!

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

I don't want to put people off but they do need to fully understand the technology before parting with the thick end of £600

Just take a minute to consider the work involved in programming a basic CNC router and then add the extra dimensions of height and depth.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Don`t want to even think about it!

I would think, circular and simple flat window frames, may be understandable?

Bob

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

It all seems like a very expensive traumatic mess, looking at the images in the link!

So far, no-one has said how much the plastic costs that you pour into this device. If it is anything like normal printer cartridges, it will cost a fortune.

Bob

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Bob,

costs are not as bad as for printing ink – I use an ink jet, 4 colours, normal ink price from epsom is £57

For the 3D printer, choice of three colours, 1Kg roll plastic cord is £28.

What I can't tell you is how much build you get for that.

Kimmo

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

Thanks Kimmo,

Just wondering, but have no intention of getting a 3D printer, but very intersted in seeing some results.

As for Epson printing ink. I have refillable cartridges for my Epson SX535WD and it costs me about 30p to fill up each tank! Only takes a few minutes as well!

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Kim

On the subject of printer cartridges try these people

**LINK**

I have been buying my inks from them for years and currently I can buy a set of five fully chipped compatible cartridges for my Cannon for £13. The ink is the same quality and lasts for just as long as the Cannon products.

Paul

Edited By Paul T on 19/08/2013 07:14:58

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Paul,

just tried the ink company, if they work as well then they're a great saving as they are claiming to be 19ml ink cartridges, and my usual supplier is 7.5ml. In fact, looking at some of the original inks they were only 6ml.

I've ordered a full set to see how they print.

Thanks for the up, Kim

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

I`m posting this lovely example of 3D printing again, to highlight this excellent example of the latest technology

It`s popularity will blossom in time

Bob

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

Very nice, and I have no doubt that this sort of thing will soon take over. First it was kits and then 3D printing!

I have virtually given up model shipbuilding these days as I am a bit of a dinosaur. It looks like Model Shipwright, that became the annual Shipwright several years, ago has ceased as well. I have written for them for the past 40 years, but only after repeatedly asking them when Shipwright 2014 would be published, was told it is not on their publication list for the foreseeable future! So, at the moment, I am feeling "all washed up" The plus side is that I have more time to do other things. Model making is now confined to maybe two or three hours a week. I still don't mind talking about model ships, but there is little that interests me on model forums these days, but I have enjoyed following the Resurgam build!

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

I`ve just watched a video on YouTube, where a chap placed an adjustable spanner on a table, where it was scanned in 3D

Some time later, the chap opened the machine door and reached into a large tray of white powder

He pulled out a complete adjustable spanner….And it was fully assembled and working!

He also showed a gearbox with about six gears…..And it was made by the printer….FULLY ASSEMBLED!

The 3D printer has arrived!

I`m totally gobsmacked!

Bob

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Surely it is just another manufacturing method, it may well be the shape of things to come but if 'model makers' resort to using commercial manufacturing methods then where is the sense of achievement in making a model? 'Copying' in 3D doesn't seem to be much different in principle to copying in 2D. Granted, if you have designed the item yourself first then you have put what might be termed 'intellectual capital' into it but can a 3D printer ever replicate one of Bob Wilson's exquisite models? I very much doubt it!

Colin

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

Even worse than "painting by numbers" in my view! I feel the modern age has now passed me by, but as I really don't want to be part of it, it doesn't really matter! Spent this afternoon struggling with a 59-year-old radio set. Breakthrough came at about 1700, when I got it going, but intermittently . Even so, I am now being told that messing about with such things is too dangerous for the 21st century

My only concession to modern times is the computer, which gives me great pleasure increasing my skills on!

As for the rest: "The day thou gavest Lord, has ended!"

http://youtu.be/ceTwjyZg84Y

Bob

Edited By Bob Wilson on 04/04/2014 19:11:02

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hi Colin

But can a 3D printer ever replicate one of Bob Wilson's exquisite models? I very much doubt it!

Sorry to say it Colin but this level of detailed replication is about 10 years away and it certainly will be a turn for the worse.

Paul

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

I think the crucial issue here is not 'what can be done' but 'what do you want to do?'

In my case, the satisfaction comes from making modelling items from essentially 'raw' materials rather than manufactured items.

I doubt if models like Bob's will ever be replicated by commercial methods and that is what gives them their value. They are unique and that will always put them at a premium.

The essential quality is uniqueness and 3D printing can never offer that.

Colin

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Colin

I wholeheartedly agree with your comments about raw materials but I do think that when 3D replication get to the point where it is possible to copy work as intricate and unique as Bobs then the value of such works is diluted.

A very sad day indeed.

Paul

(sorry I'm on a downer at the moment bad news at the hospital this afternoon)

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Could be a long time coming when you look at the intricacy of the rigging on Bob's models. I would be very interested to hear how 3D modelling could cope with that sort of detail!

Colin

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Colin and others

I'm talking about the Hi Tech printers that can make a gearbox complete with rotating gears including ball bearings…..Fully assembled

Printed…..Fully assembled!

That is something special

Bob

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Bob,

Yes, but if you want a gearbox with gears then you could simply buy one anyway without the need for a 3D printer.

Colin

[Amy jane SeptemberParticipant @amyjaneseptember49770]

I'm with Bob on this one. I get your excitment, Bob! (Which may sound strange coming form a lass who likes to make things from tree branches and bits of string!) For some one with a head full of ideas, but limited skills and equipment, these things could open up a world of creative possibilities. Provided that the programming side of things could be made manageable.(This would be my down fall). The cost will become realistic with time. If we could have one we could day dream into, and have the finished item pop out the other end, then the world would enter a new stage of inovation the likes of which we have never seen before!

Amy jane

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