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    Richard Simpson
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      I though you guys might find this interesting.  I used to go past her when she was tied up in Norfolk, Virginia, in my early days at sea on container ships.  She looked a sorry sight then, but has deteriorated even more now.

      https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/video-s-s-united-states-tow-passes-florida-after-clearing-rough-seas

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      #125061
      Colin Bishop
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        @colinbishop34627

        Yes, I have been following this. Some amazing still shots here:

        https://theferryforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=2964&start=25

        Back in the 1950s I was making sandcastles on the beach at Shanklin, Isle of Wight, when we watched the United States outbound from Southampton crossing Sandown Bay. About 15/20 minutes after she had passed round the headland out of sight this enormous wave came rushing up the beach demolishing the sandcastles and soaking the rolled up trousers of the holidaymakers sitting in their deckchairs.

        I did see her a few times in Southampton docks, a beautiful ship.

        Colin

        #125074
        Richard Simpson
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          @richardsimpson88330

          I’ve always thought her funnels were disproportionally oversized to make her attractive.  She certainly has a more classic hull shape but those funnels are monsters!

          I was once sat having a beer in a mission in Scandinavia somewhere, looking down at our twelve thousand ton container ship when the SS Norway sailed past.  She had only just been converted from the SS France so was the talking point of the time.  I couldn’t believe how small she made our ship look.  They completely ruined her looks by putting those ridiculous landing craft on the foc’sle, which was a great shame.

          #125075
          Colin Bishop
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            @colinbishop34627

            They added another deck above the bridge which made things worse! The ‘landing craft’ were an unfortunate necessity as the ship’s draft was too much to enable her to berth alongside in many of her ports of call. France/Norway drew 10.5m against today’s Cunard Queen Elizabeth’s 8m.

            #125085
            Colin Bishop
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              @colinbishop34627

              I’ve always thought her funnels were disproportionally oversized to make her attractive.

              Personally I think her funnels compliment the design. But they may have needed to be big as underneath them was the powerplant of the much bigger Forrestal class aircraft carrier.

              Colin

               

               

              #125087
              Richard Simpson
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                @richardsimpson88330

                Comparing them though, the Forrestal Class Aircraft Carrier didn’t require the same volume of uptakes so I still can’t see why they needed to be so big.  I suspect it was more aesthetically driven rather than technical requirement.  Probably something along the lines of ‘bigger funnels give a greater sense of power’ sort of angle.

                Again comparing, when the QE2 was built she was quite a bit bigger, 65K GRT as opposed to 53K GRT, had a service speed of 1.5 knots slower but had a single tall elegant slender funnel.  For me its all about proportions for it to look right.

                The reason behind my own thinking is that when the QE2 was re-engined in ’86-’87 most in Cunard thought the modified wider funnel made her look more aggressive, powerful and purposeful, as opposed to graceful and elegant.  Yet she was considerably slower than she was with the steam plant!

                I guess beauty is always in the eye of the beholder!

                #125095
                Colin Bishop
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                  @colinbishop34627

                  Richard,

                  I have to concede that the United States’ funnels are oversize really but, as you say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and I rather like her that way! The ship was designed to make a statement in the post war world and she certainly did that. Her funnels probably did need to be that high though to carry the combustion products clear of the after decks which was a constant problem in the age of steam.

                  In my view, the best balanced superliner design was the old Queen Elizabeth which I felt came to near perfection with her sweeping lines, cascading after decks and beautifully placed and sized funnels. She looked good from all angles. Just as the Queen Mary was derived from the Aquitania, QE was a cleaned up modernised improvement on QM.

                  From the end of the 19th century to the middle of the 20th, liner funnels were a vital advertisement for their parent companies in which both colour scheme and number were important. The unique Cunard orange/red was immediately recognisable. Up until the 1930s it was considered that the more funnels a ship had, the bigger, stronger and safer it was and four funnels was the best of the lot. Hence a lot of ships were given dummy funnels to support this impression and also to give a more balanced profile, Titanic among them. The first three ships of P&O’s Strath class of the early 30’s had three funnels but only the middle one was functional. at a distance you could see under the other two through the superstructure windows!

                  When it cones to size comparisons I always like to use displacement tonnage which represents the actual weight of the ship. GRT is a space measure as you know. It can be used as a rough comparison between ships of the same era but doesn’t work too well otherwise.

                  United States had a displacement of 46,000 tons and a GRT of 53,000

                  QE2 had a displacement of 49,000 tons and a GRT of 70,000

                  Over a greater time period the differences become much greater.

                  The Queen Mary had a displacement  of 80,000 tons and a GRT of 81,000

                  Queen Mary 2 has a displacement of 79,000 tons and a GRT of 150,000

                  So QM2 has a lower displacement than Queen Mary but is a much, much larger ship, the reason being that technological and design improvements have enabled marine engineers to work far more usable interior space into a given displacment. Much of the interior of Queen Mary below the waterline was taken up by boilers and machinery.  QM2’s power plant is far more compact and efficient and includes lightweight gas turbines placed in the funnel deckhouse.

                  The ratio for the latest cruise ships is even greater. Oasis of the Seas has a GRT of 226,000 but an estimated displacement of 100,000 tons. She doesn’t need to go as fast as QM2 so can have an even more relatively compact power plant. The combination of engineering advances and lightweight superstructure has had a massive effect on the amount of commercially usable space on today’s ships.

                  Photo is of Queen Elizabeth in the 1960s leaving Southampton taken by my Dad. He would have been amazed and envious at our crossing to New York on QM2 in 2011. Casting off in Southampton was an emotional moment for me.

                  Colin

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                  #125097
                  Richard Simpson
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                    @richardsimpson88330
                    On Colin Bishop Said:

                     

                    When it cones to size comparisons I always like to use displacement tonnage which represents the actual weight of the ship. GRT is a space measure as you know. It can be used as a rough comparison between ships of the same era but doesn’t work too well otherwise.

                    The thing is Colin, when it comes to passenger ships at least, size matters! 🙂

                     

                    #125098
                    Colin Bishop
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                      @colinbishop34627

                      Yes of course Richard, I just wanted to highlight the enormous advances in marine engineering since the traditional steamship era. Aesthetics has sadly gone in the opposite direction.

                      Colin

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