Thames Sailing Barge Stuff

[Andrew B 1Participant @andrewb1]

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Edited By Andrew B 1 on 31/10/2018 17:14:12

[Andrew B 1Participant @andrewb1]

Martin Field, Surely at that scale it can be a generic barge, 80 feet = 320mm, which google says is 12.5 of our lovely English inches. I personally would go for a stays'l barge to save having to model a bowsprit ?

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi all,

          today I made the triple  pulleys for the  forestay tackle , I still have to make some more details to make it possible to measure the sails.The one on the right will be fastened to the fore stem eye , the on the left  will be attached to the fore stay.against the orginal after the reduction, the discs have a greater thickness,
about 2 mm, the proper  ideal thickness would be about 1mm. But as one of my friends says … on the water and at a distance of two meters and longer it is irrelevant..

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[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Martin,

I can scan and send you Westmoreland the as a PDF, do you have a printer? Or I could send you a hard copy @ 4mm to the foot, let me know which suits you?

Tom they are fine set of pulleys for Gusty

Regards Ray

[Martin Field 1Participant @martinfield1]

Andrew, I don't "do" generic! I can accept your saying staysail rather than bowsprit, even if I wouldn't know the difference, but it would still have to be a real boat.

Ray, may I accept your kind offer of a hard copy at 4mm of Westmoreland? That would be wonderful. I will PM you my contact details.

I've already done him a lobster boat and a river cruiser taken from real boats that I happened upon and a Fifie fishing boat from Model Boat plans, all to 4mm scale.

Maybe I should do a wee set-piece when he finally gets round to casting them all.

Cheers,

Martin

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[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Martin,

I will scale up tomorrow, I'm a wizard on the photocopier

We like to run trains round the workshop, sometimes the grandchildren help me

Regards Ray

[Martin Field 1Participant @martinfield1]

Now that is my kind of workshop Ray! I am also a model railway enthusiast. But mainly scenery and small set-pieces in the Winter. Model boats in the Summer.

Thanks again.

Martin

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

This is a sailplan for my model Gusty Cat. The length of the model is nearly 1 meter, as I wrote, it is originally a model of tsb Lady Daphne in scale1: 28, but completed as a 1:24 scale model.

[Martin Field 1Participant @martinfield1]

Is that a real boat, Tomarak?

Martin

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi Martin,

sorely not ,at least not completely. The hull and rigging are basically exactly according to Lady Daphne's plan at 1:28, but I've adjusted the details to suit my needs.

Tom

Edited By tomarack on 31/10/2018 19:33:02

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi Martin,

sorely not ,at least not completely. The hull and rigging are basically exactly according to Lady Daphne's plan at 1:28, but I've adjusted the details to suit my needs.

Tom

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[Martin Field 1Participant @martinfield1]

Ah, OK. I think I'll stick to Ray's Westmoreland.

Thanks,

Martin

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Some pictures of the complete but not yet finished rigging on my TSB.

The main mast, topmast and sails, the mizzen has yet to be fitted. The rudder and extension are in the paint shop.

The three main mast shrouds and the main mast and topmast running back stays, the topmast stay has been brought forward from its scale position to allow the mainsail to move out over the side.

Forestay blocks etc.

The leaboard winches are on their side under the side decks, the weight of the leaboards keeps the line taught on the winch drum. The vang control line is going to be taken from the mainsail winch line in the bottom right corner of the picture.

Regards.

Eddie.

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi Eddie,

perfect work, indeed!!

Today I fixed the pulleys to the standing rig on the mast, fore stay tackle is fixed and ready on the fore stem.
Do I miss several blocks , I'll still have to produce. Also the lower pulley from the fore topmast stay tackle is fastened.

If I can make it, then tomorrow I would fix the main mast on the model, then I´ll start working on the mizzen mast

Greetings

Tpm

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Eddie,

As Tom said great work ! She is coming on very well and the sails look good, I'm refitting and tiling our bathroom so not getting as much modelling done as normal !!WW3 outside fireworks

Regards Ray

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Tom, thank you, but I wouldn't say perfect, but the best I can achieve at the moment, I have the advantage that materials etc. are easily available here, so speeding up the build, and making it easier, although I have made quite a few of the parts from scratch. It sounds as if you are going all the way, fitting blocks and pulleys were they should be, I have cheated and not fitted all of them, maybe my next TSB will be fitted out more like the full size.

Keep up with your good work.

Regards.

Eddie.

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

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[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Ray, same here with fireworks. pleased you approve the sails. Have now connected the vang control to the other side of the main sail control loop and it appears to work fine, will see when it gets on the water, not too far away now.

Regards Eddie.

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi Eddie, I have to make all as scratch build. It is very time consuming and very problematic when it comes to specific parts. I have a series of wooden pulleys purchased from RB Models. and some next details only.

But what is the ideal in the whole world ?

On the other hand – I practiced so my imagination – apparently it's good for memory…to figure out how to make the individual parts and to take into account the material possibilities..

No fireworks here at present … "Les grandes maneuvers " we are waiting above all in midnight for the New Year eve .

greetings

Tom

[Andy StonemanParticipant @andystoneman15177]

Hi Eddie, Thats a Nice looking barge you have constructed, well done ! Its interesting that you have made your lee boards usable, and would be good to hear how much of a difference they make in use.

My Barge sails ok but only been tested in 25klm/ hour winds and stays pretty dry on deck. You have an Interesting and well made keel bulb, is it your design. Ive not followed your build but is your barge 1/24th scale as it looks very close.

Andy

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Andy, thank you for your kind comments, I don't think the leaboards will make much difference other than increasing drag, but I will let you know. I just felt that as they are a prominent part of the full size they should be working on a scale model.

It is 1/24 scale and the bulb is a vacuum formed moulding from Mastman, the bulb is filled with 61/2 lbs. of lead and the rest filled with resin.

Eddie.

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Andy,

How's it going down under ? Anything on the building board ? Eddie is making a super job of his barge

Regards Ray

[Andy StonemanParticipant @andystoneman15177]

Hi Eddie,

I added a prop to my barge and found a fair amount of drag so i get where your coming from, Ill give mast man a go for the vacuum formed bulb, thanks for the tip, Oh, credit where its due your barge is a beaut looking one.

Andy!

[Andy StonemanParticipant @andystoneman15177]

Hi Ray,

You'll have to look in your inbox from last week, I sent a short message. Re : my last post to Eddie, Thinking about trying to make a folding Prop to help reduce the drag on my barge, Only pics to go by so far, Yes Eddie's barge looking fantastic.

Andy

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