Thames Sailing Barge Stuff

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Andy, Ray, thank you both for your kind comments, the proof of the pudding will be in the first sail!

I now have the leaboards fitted and connected to the winches, they work fine over the side of the table, will have to see how they perform when they get a bit of water pressure on them, may have to time the operation to when she is upright and sailing straight.

Andy Mastman also does a ducks foot keel the same that Ray made.

Regards Eddie.

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Andy,

I have changed my job since we last emailed, so your message not received I have a new one after 3rd December will PM you

Maidstone to Reigate m25 was wearing me out, so have a new job based in West Malling

Regards Ray

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi All,

As far as leeboards are concerned, I contacted Mr. Ivor Bittle a few years ago, here I put his note. In addition, I recommend reading the materials on building TS barge models on the site

https://www.ivorbittle.com/

Ivor´ note:

You ask where to put the fin. I have come to the conclusion that a

function of the leeboards that I had not noticed is to balance the

barge, that is to make the barge sail with weather helm, that is to

turn gently to windward when the rudder is on centre. This is possible

because the lee board exerts a significant force and that force can be

moved relative to the hull by raising or lowering the lee board. This

tells us where the fin should be placed. It is adequate to fit the fin

so that the centre of area of the fin is vertically in line with the

centre of area of the lee board when the lee board is at say 45

degrees. I explained this in Article 2.12 on my website.

greetings

Tom

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Martin

Did your receive the Westmoreland drawing ?

Regards Ray

[Martin Field 1Participant @martinfield1]

Hi Ray,

no I haven't had anything yet, but will let you know as soon as I do.

Cheers,

Martin

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Martin

So much for first class mail !! Posted Saturday

Regards Ray

[Martin Field 1Participant @martinfield1]

Exactly. I had a Registered parcel sent to the wrong office this week. They at least paid me back for the costs of the postage pretty immediately as my recipient didn't get it by 1 pm the next day.

I got a large canvas sack of speedboat books from US mail a couple of weeks ago in 4 days!

Martin

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi,

I made next step today, I attached mizzen shrouds . Next step ..mizzen sprit needs some details yet.

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Tom, that is looking good, I have to fit the mizzen to my barge yet, but it is finished and ready to fit.

I have been to the International Model Boat Show at Warwick this weekend, I was able to talk to both Peter Simmonds and Richard Chesney about TSBs all weekend, Have also ordered the drawings for Cambria a very large boat, 98 feet long and capable of carrying 150 tons of cargo in full size, and I believe was the last barge to operate commercially and without an engine.

Regards.

Eddie.

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi Eddie,

and what would you say to Lady Daphne? Some plans from H.Underhill are available… (no model reconstruction, 1:24scale)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SB_Lady_Daphne

lass and type:	Thames barge
Tonnage:	86 GRT Net 116
Length:	90.75 feet (27.66 m)
Beam:	21.38 feet (6.52 m)
Draught:	7.31 feet (2.23 m)
Propulsion:	Sail and diesel engine
Sail plan:	Spritsail

Greetings

Tom

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Eddie,

If you need more information photos etc for Cambria contact Dave Brooke's he been involved with her restoration and sailing he is on the Facebook Model Thames Sailing Barges group he is just finishing a Veronica in white racing livery, very smart, he is a member of Chantry club but I doubt I'll see him till the spring next year

Regards Ray

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Tom and Ray, I think I have enough to keep me going for a while, I may have to build a small barge for my friend at Broadstairs, she fell in love with Veronica and wanted to take it home.

I will bear your suggestion in mind when I get to Camria Ray, photos are always good for the details.

Regards to you both.

Eddie.

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi, 

Slowly I continue with other work -main mast rigging. m also starting to make the missing pulleys. Some pulleys I still have from RBmodels, I miss primarily pulleys for brails and main sheet – big double block  mainly.

Winter is here – with first snowfall…. end of very long Summer weather … 

I put next photos to album here and to my " Rajce",

Greetings 

Tom

 

 

Edited By tomarack on 19/11/2018 15:43:01

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi,

I am making sails and some next details now.

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Tom,

We can't let a barge go sailing without ship's dog congratulations on your new crew member, your new barge is looking great.

Kind regards from the uk

Ray

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi Ray,

thanks… the dog is ready, but the barge is still waiting in the dry dock …

I'm missing a lot of details, but I think I'll get to the workshop in the new year.

greetings

Tom

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Tom, and Ray, my crew are getting bored! although the sails are set the mizzen still needs rigging and the hatches have to be finished, the reason is the pond yacht below, it has got to be finished by the end of January next year, the sails have to be made, the deck planked and all to be varnished and then sea trialled.

Regards to all.

Eddie.

[Andrew B 1Participant @andrewb1]

Looks like a model of a typical Norfolk Broads hire yacht ?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQb7lxATSfGqn0Jh_ARnTFCPrXufce4-jANszmjEPp0MU24aAefsg

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Eddie,

Cripes you do get a move on don't you! anyway always good to have another project on the go keeps you fresh

They are both looking very good indeed.

Regards Ray

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Andrew, thanks for that picture, you're right it does look very much like your picture, it will even have the coaming around the cockpit!

Thanks Ray, other than going out for a coffee occasionally, boating twice a week, doing a bit of housework I have quite a bit of time to do boat building.

Regards.

Eddie.

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi Eddie,

nice work, indeed!

Today i made testing of test sails . Winter finally came to us, it is freezing at night, temperatures are above zero over the day.No possibility to sail anyway. Park pond is dry for winter, the Becva River is at its minimum, only wild ducks swimming there .

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi Eddie,

nice work, indeed!

Today i made testing of test sails . Winter finally came to us, it is freezing at night, temperatures are above zero over the day.No possibility to sail anyway. Park pond is dry for winter, the Becva River is at its minimum, only wild ducks swimming there .

[Eddie LancasterParticipant @eddielancaster]

Hi. Tom, thank you, your barge is looking good, I take it that it is Lady Daphne? and all the rigging is as full size?

I like the dog he looks ready to go.

We are able to sail here through the winter, even if it is in the coffee shop! We have had one day with ice on the pond so far, and it is mostly wet and mild, I hope tomorrow will be fine and dry.

Keep up the good work.

Regards.

Eddie.

[tomarackParticipant @tomarack]

Hi Eddie,

as I wrote some months ago .. basicaly it is Lady Daphne in 1:28 scale. nearly 1 meter long,

I had some troubles with hull making, , so at the end I decided to make some modification with superstructures ( holds),then with rigging .. At the end I decided to refurbish original to model in 1:24 scale.more or less scale unification of both my barge models. As far as the rigging is concerned, I have made the masts longer but meet the conditions of the AMBO races for 1:24 scale. . Gusty .Cat main mast is nearly 1 meter long .

due to my "rocky conditions" in my workshop I did not have the opportunity to strictly keep the design of all the details and therefore I chose this for me the easier way .. making semi.scale model.

still have concerns about the longitudinal balance of the model. On Capricorn I had to increase the jibsail to sail with the wind. "Tomcat" does not have a bowsprit, so I'm waiting for a bigger balancing problem. I decided to reduce the mizzen sail if necessary, or to put a Bermuda style sail there.

Greetings

Tom

AMBO organises racing for barges in the following categories:

Bowsprit: 1/24th scale, hull length approx 42" / 107 cm
Staysail: 1/24th scale, hull length approx 42"
Coastal: 1/24th scale, hull length over 45" / 115 cm
Smaller class: Approx 1/35th – 1/40th scale, hull length under 30" /76 cm
Smallest Class: Fun classes 12" or 6" in appropriate configuration / 30/15 cm

Matches: There are model barge matches throughout the year for which
dates are shown on the AMBO web site.

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Eddie,

As your progressing so fast, here are some nice details on one of Peter Simmonds barges oars, quant and ladder, which at the time it was taken Easter 2015 was being sold to the skipper of the full size Cambria.

Regards Ray

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