Prototype build of ELLIE

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Shop floor to Drawing office…….

We need revised drawing of transom with holes for keel tenon and stringers, please

And explanation for Former 1 cock up

Bob standing by with pencil sharpened

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Chief Engineer

Revision of transom drawing is on the screen at the moment and it will include an option to apply a veneer so that the varnish finish can be achieved.

To explain the 'co-k up' the differences between the first issue of drawings and the revised set are due to the alterations made to recover the 2mm deck sheer, its odd how a seemingly small and insignificant alteration can have such a dramatic implications, but I'm glad that I managed to retain the sheer without increasing the overall dimensions of the model.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Paul

You mentioning the veneered transom, has given me a brill idea!

I could cover the entire model with some of the surplus SloMo veneer?

That would be nice. especially with a TFC finish!

Bob, phoning from the paint shop

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

That sounds great Bob. I look forward to seeing the finished model especially if it looks like your SloMo

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Paul

Hope you are feeling refreshed this morning, after yesterday's tiring day?

Thanks for the Transom drawing……Need dimension from datum to keel slot and bottom of the keel

Also dimensions for notches in Former 1

Could you make the dims a little larger, as they are a bit small on the IPad, please

Bob……..It's a lot cooler this morning?

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Ok Bob

I will fire up the CAD and send them over.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

OK, Paul

We will also need a Parts List

Would it be possible to use simple part numbers?……Like…..1…….2,,,,,,,,,3 etc?

But it's up to you, Captain

Bob

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Don't you two b*ggers ever sleep?
DM

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Dave

We are just a couple of "B`s" and it is a very challenging interesting project?

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Dave

I have been getting up at 6am for the past 40 years and its a hard habit to break, I also find that I can get more done in the first hour than at any other time during the day.(before the phone rings, emails etc)

Paul

[John ShireParticipant @johnshire55937]

Hello Bob

Speaking as a 'lurker' I have been watching this thread with avid interest but I am wondering why you keep asking for more information, I find it difficult to believe that Pauls drawings are lacking information and yet you are an experienced model builder so there is obviously something amiss.

John

[Aestus57Participant @aestus5782081]

Hi John, I'm following this thread with interest as well. I think Bob may be working exactly to the drawings in order to "prove" them. Not everyone who builds from them will be experienced enough to work things out for themselves. Regards, Peter.

Edited By Aestus57 on 28/07/2013 13:51:00

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello John

The problem is that my printer is out of ink, so I can`t print Paul`s latest emails

He is sending former shapes without dimensions, and the big mod of building the model upside down on a baseboard is not catered for on some of the prints he sent earlier!

And also, I`m going too fast for him!

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Ground control to Major Thom!………"Take your pills and put your helmet on!"……aka David Bowie

Just had a quick trial…….

Looking interesting?

See my Email regarding Formers 6 and 4…..Some adjustment required

I would normally just get on with it, but the drawings need to be dead on!

Bob……Ground Control

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello John

Instead of working from a traditional A0 size single sheet drawing Bob is working to a package of smaller drawings, an example of which is below.

As well as being semi detailed drawings they are also full sized templates

As these drawings are sent via the internet as PDFs by they can be printed at home without loss of detail or degridation of scale.

Bob as a true engineer is working to milimeter precision to fully test the drawings.

Paul

Edited By Paul T on 28/07/2013 15:28:44

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Shop floor to Drawing office……….

The keel at the transom end needs updating to show the tenon location, please

I've printed off all the formers now, to the correct size and will be going through them to make sure we are both on the same wavelength

It must be very difficult, designing a boat on CAD and get it right?

You are doing a great job, Paul and I don't envy your job!……Straight lines are easy, but complex compound curves are not my cup of tea!

This is going to be a long drawn out process as I'm seeing all sorts of problems ahead, not least, skinning the hull with 4mm ply?

When we finally get the act together, readers making the model, will have instant access to the project team, should a problem occur!……..And should make interesting reading

That's enough from me, this morning

Bob on the shop floor

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

4mm ply skinning? A bit OTT, IMHO. I would have used 1.5mm marine ply, as per Huntsmen kits.
DM

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

See what I mean?

Doc Paul has decreed 4mm, but I`ve already mentioned it to him

One milli should be ok….IMHO

Don`t think he`s up yet….If he is, he`ll be working on his failed MOT car!

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

4mm skin adds tremendous strength to the hull and make the model almost indestructible from the dropping and bashing perspective. My models usually end up being 'tested' by a very inquisitive 6 year old and as such they have to be strong.

However as with all of my model boat designs the thickness of the hull skin is optional and the 4mm is a maximum thickness that can be used (this is one of the reasons that I don't provide skin templates)

I take the view that if the builder wishes to use thinner, but more expensive, marine ply then he/she should be free to do so.

To form the 4mm ply around the tight curves of the bow I put saw cuts into the rear face of the ply to make the job easier.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

I`ll give it a try, Boss!

Bob the faithful yesman

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

You don't have to use 4mm especially if its going to cause you problems, as I said the skin thickness is totally upto the individual builder.

Re working with CAD its just like working with pencil and paper but with the ability to copy and paste details.

Paul

[John ShireParticipant @johnshire55937]

Hello Bob

At the beginning of this thread you mentioned that the plans would be sent by PDF download I'm not really sure what you mean so could you explain it a bit more. Do we need special software or computer drawing skills?

John

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello John

The opening gambit mentioning PDF file is really Paul's wording! He intended, on receiving an order, to send a PDF file which contains the instructions and also the drawings as a sort of Link and the customer downloads the complete package for printing

He is trying to avoid sending out time consuming sets of prints and thereby having no costs to dilute the funds

Paul has sent me a set of Jpegs, which I have printed off to the correct scale and have now cut out the keel and formers

His main problem is trying to prevent the unscrupulous, from copying the plans and selling them on!

No doubt Paul will post his version of the proceedure shortly

 

Bob

 

Edited By Bob Abell on 29/07/2013 16:13:52

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Just for reference, these are the three options available at the moment…..

Designed by Paul Thomason

Bob

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Hello Bob / Paul,

Planing department is up to speed , so lets see the next stage ,

three nice drawings , fancy the war version good luck cheers Larry….

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