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  • #44216
    Looverlijn
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      @looverlijn

      Before I get stuck into my Yorkshireman (no I'm not that clumsy with Cyano!) I wanted to make sure if possible that I mount the motors in the best way to avoid motor whine negating any (expensive) electronic sound equipment. I well remember fitting out my Trent lifeboat with twin Turbocat diesel sounds which were then completely drowned out by the actual motors!

      Vibration noise is fairly easy to reduce with rubber mountings etc. but the whine is something else. Maybe a box lined with dense foam is the answer but heat build up might be a problem – anybody got any ideas?

      Paul

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      #6130
      Looverlijn
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        @looverlijn

        What’s the best way of minimising motor whine

        #44226
        ashley needham
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          @ashleyneedham69188

          Paul. You may be stuck with this. Unfortunately insulating the ESC will result in overheating.

          OR it may be possible to arrange watercooling for the ESC, in which case you will be able to soundproof them a bit..

          OR… some ESC`s are not as whiny as others!! No suggestions I am afraid as I only have a limited range of ESC to compare.

          Ashley

          #44233
          Gareth Jones
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            I think Ashley's comment that some ESC's are not as whiny as others is the key, but it's primarily the motor that whines rather than the speed controller.

            In order to control the speed of the motor it's necessary to supply it with a variable voltage. Old fashioned 'Bobs Board' voltage regulators did just that and supplied a steady DC voltage, at the expense of being inefficient by generating heat in the resister. However because the motor was getting a steady DC voltage it did not whine.

            Modern electronic speed controls switch the battery voltage on an off at high frequency, maybe 1000 cycles per second or more. In each cycle there is a period of time when the voltage is on and another when it is off. The motor is effectively powered when the voltage is on and its inertia keeps it going when it the voltage is off. The longer the proportion of on to off, the faster the average speed that the motor runs at. In practice the motor is continually accelerating and decelerating at high frequency rather than running at a true steady speed.

            A modern speed controller more efficient than a 'Bobs board' as there is less power wasted. However the rapidly changing voltage excites the motor and causes the whine. I dont know exactly which bit of the motor is responding but it is down to the design and construction of the motor and the frequency that the speed controller operates at. The whine is usually worst at the low speed end of the throttle range, when there is also less nose from the prop shaft and universal coupling to drown it out. You could try to soundproof the motor by enclosing it in some form of enclosure but as Ashley says, this can result in overheating and sometimes just amplifies the noise if some part of the structure resonates with the motor.

            The majority of my models have Graupner speed motors and Mtroniks speed controllers, mainly on a better the devil you know basis, but also to provide some degree of interchangeability. The level of whine from that combination is just about acceptable, but I must admit it is sometimes irritating. Other modellers will have experience of other combinations of equipment. I seem to remember Dave Milbourn having some words of wisdom on this topic and I am sure he will be along soon with some good advice.

            Edited By Gareth Jones on 06/10/2013 08:30:24

            #44237
            Dave Milbourn
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              @davemilbourn48782

              The ACTion "Condor" range of speed controllers run at 50 Hz so there is no whine at low speed – more of a low "grumble" which sounds like an engine. The P94 Dual ESC/Mixer – which is perfect for this model – also doesn't produce motor whine. One of the Electronize ESCs has switchable frequency although I don't know how low this goes.
              As Gareth says, no amount of experimenting with insulation etc will stop this. The only other solution is to put a P100 Noisy Thing engine sound unit in there and turn up the amplifier!

              Dave M

              #44243
              Looverlijn
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                @looverlijn

                Thanks guys, looks like I may have chosen the right set up for my Yorkshireman in that I am fitting the P94 ESC/Mixer as you suggested Dave. I do have an Mtronics ESC to power the bow thruster but that's only going to be in operation for short periods so not a problem. I must admit I hadn't realised that it was the ESCs that made the motors whine so the old adage that "you learn something new everyday" is very appropriate. As always thanks for the advice.

                Paul L

                #44251
                ashley needham
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                  @ashleyneedham69188

                  Motors whining, yes.. when I fitted a brushless motor and esc to my Ecranoplan, there are musical tones produced to indicate the correct programming of the esc…and this noise comes from the motor!! the motor is (electrically) exited to produce specific tones…amazing.

                  Had my little new landing craft out with a JP aircraft style 2800hz ESC and did notice any whine..perhaps though I have a toddy motor and so it is not that noisy?

                  Ashley

                  #44271
                  Looverlijn
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                    @looverlijn

                    Ecranoplan…Is that the strange Russian craft that neither floats nor flies but uses "ground effect"?

                    Love to see a pic of it.

                    Paul L

                    #44273
                    ashley needham
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                      @ashleyneedham69188

                      In my album, unfortunately it is a sort of skimmer, as a model, it does not actually do wing in ground effect, that would be a bit difficult! Ashley

                      #44278
                      ashley needham
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                        @ashleyneedham69188

                        Not going at full speed, but a taster of the beast on the pond.

                        ecranoplan#1

                        #44352
                        Telstar
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                          @telstar

                          Ashley Can you get your motor to do this?? **LINK**

                          cheeky Tom

                          #44354
                          ashley needham
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                            @ashleyneedham69188

                            No, dont think so….. Ashley

                            #44648
                            Looverlijn
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                              @looverlijn

                              At the risk of sounding a bit obsessive about eliminating motor noise, I came across these shock absorber fittings which might just do the trick or at least help.

                              Found them at PMB (Fast Power Boats) **LINK** and they come in a wide range of sizes.

                              Have ordered 2 packs and will advise as to success or not.

                              Paul

                              #48889
                              eric collins
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                                @ericcollins99759

                                looks very nice………

                                #48896
                                Martin Field 1
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                                  @martinfield1

                                  Use a Taycol…they sound like diesels anyway<GG>

                                  Martin

                                  #48900
                                  Looverlijn
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                                    @looverlijn

                                    What's a Taycol?

                                    #48903
                                    lnvisibleman
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                                      @lnvisibleman
                                      Posted by Looverlijn on 12/05/2014 14:19:25:

                                      What's a Taycol?

                                      I believe it is a type of motor used by King Arthur and his mates at the CMBC

                                      Rumour has it that they meet every 104th Tuesday at Dozemary Pool

                                       

                                      Edited By lnvisibleman on 12/05/2014 14:50:53

                                      #48908
                                      Martin Field 1
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                                        @martinfield1

                                        I am still using my original Supermarine Special, 51 years after it first went in my Crash Tender. I also have a Double Special in an MTB, a Target, a Standard and a Meteor, the last two mint and boxed and lined up for a couple of straight runners.

                                        They go with with a selection of Orbit, Kako, S.E.L., Frog and Multums. I collect old electrics as old Diesels are silly money and steam is impossible.

                                        I only use R/C in yachts, because of the reeds round local waters where there's the space for sailing. Oh and the yacht is a Veron Veronica and, soon, a scratchbuilt Victorian Cutter.  The 2 Pre-War Marbleheads are vane steered, when I go to a pond with an edge all round. It's great exercise.

                                        I also don't posess a mobile phone and my cars are 55, 40 and 24 years old

                                        Martin

                                        Edited By Martin Field 1 on 12/05/2014 17:09:39

                                        #48914
                                        ashley needham
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                                          @ashleyneedham69188

                                          Martin. I like your style. Personally I would get a mobile phone, a cheap pay as you go and £5 top up can be as little as £15 and could be a lifesaver if any unfortunate circumstances happen.

                                          As to the motor whine. watercooling the casing would dampen (pun intended) the high freq vibrations somewhat.

                                          The big rubber buffers are for i/c and would not be of much use to an electric motor.

                                          Ashley

                                          #48923
                                          Martin Field 1
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                                            @martinfield1

                                            Ashley,

                                            you are right of course and my wife's old one is always plugged (with car charger) firmly in my mitts when I go abroad (ie, outside). She can find me on it, but only friendly lorry drivers can reach her at my behest, whatever I try.

                                            Meanwhile, hers never stops warbling , trilling and trumping all bloomin' day and night advising her of ebay bids, endings, Facebook posts, blah, blah!

                                            My battery drill whines when it's on partial speed. Or is it the speed controller that whines?

                                            Martin

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