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  • #5598
    Boiler Bri
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      #89313
      Boiler Bri
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        @boilerbri

        Spectrum dx6i

        I am looking for a rc system and there are a lot of the above on ebay second hand.

        Has anyone experience of these units?

        Are they any good?

        All help appreciated.

        Brian

        #89316
        Ray Wood 3
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          @raywood3

          Hi Brian,

          I expect they are as good as any of the other brands on the market ? but you have to say why are the owners selling them? they must be cheaper but your not getting a guarantee . I find the new cheaper radios are as good as any the Planet 2+2 is a good non computer set for £40

          Regards Ray

          #89317
          Tim Rowe
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            @timrowe83142

            Hello Brian

            The Spektrum DX6i is an entry level programmable radio for many aeromodellers and there are many more of those than there are model boating people. A 7th or 8th channel is useful when you start adding feature such as flaps and working undercarriage. Complicated gliders can soak up a lot of channels as well. We tend to use far less channels and probably most only need 2 basic channels like Ray suggests.

            There is a lot of snobbery around concerning radio gear but Spektrum is the most used and a recent poll showed that there nearly as many Spektrum users as the rest of the brands put together.

            The DX6i (there are quite a few versions over the years) is programmable. It has model memory so you can bind a particular Rx to a memory and all the setting for that model are retained and you can't operate the wrong model by mistake. This is useful if you have lots of models. You can also programme the end point of servo travels. Marginally useful for motor boats but very useful for sailing boats with winches or lever arm servos.

            I have two second-hand bought from Ebay. Two because I gave one to a friend for his yacht. Make sure you know what mode you are buying as I don't think the DX6i has the option to change. Sonmeone may correct me on that.

            Planet got good reviews if you only need a basic set.

            Tim R

            #89319
            Dave Milbourn
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              @davemilbourn48782

              It has model memory so you can bind a particular Rx to a memory and all the setting for that model are retained and you can't operate the wrong model by mistake.

              Tim

              Please can you confirm this? My understanding of programmable model memory – as featured in my Hitec Optic 6 and Aurora 9 sets – is that the model settings are retained only in the transmitter so that any receiver bound to that Tx will respond to any of the different memory settings which are called up. Maybe the Spektrum is different.

              Brian

              I can concur with Tim and Ray about the Planet 2+2. It's well-built, has two very useful extra channels and is exceptionally good value. I bought one for my grandson's SLEC Police Launch.

              Dave M

              #89320
              Charles Oates
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                @charlesoates31738

                This is one of those questions where if you ask 10 people, you can get 10 different but valid answers. I've been unlucky with Spectrum, and would never have another, others love them. The cheap Turnigy sets and clones have a remarkable variety, but the simple and cheap set has never failed me. For better gear, I'm a Futaba fan.

                Chas

                 

                Edited By Charles Oates on 21/06/2020 10:58:16

                #89321
                Ray Wood 3
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                  @raywood3

                  Hi All,

                  Yes I did buy a Spectrum radio a good few years ago, but as Tim says there seemed to me at the time no way of putting the throttle on the right hand stick as I fly mode 1 so I sold it !!On

                  Brian, have you had the Brit in steam yet this year ??

                  Regards Ray

                  Edited By Ray Wood 2 on 21/06/2020 11:27:20

                  #89322
                  Colin Bishop
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                    @colinbishop34627

                    My DX6i is as Dave describes. You can't lock an RX to a specific model setting.

                    Colin

                    #89326
                    Boiler Bri
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                      @boilerbri

                      Ok. The info is helpful thank you.

                      Lookin at the Ariel some are snapped others have lost pins. So this lead me to look at new versions. These have fixed moulded in ariels which have over come that problem by the look of it.

                      I would like to have it so the receivers are selectable with fixed parameters so I can select models – three yachts and a garden gauge loco / or two So if this is not possible then it’s no good for me

                      Ray yes I have had it in steam after making required changes to piping and valves also fitted steam operated drain valves to the cylinders

                      Lock down has been so helpful with spare time in finishing things off 🤗

                      Even managed to get my traction engine ready for the wheels fitting

                      Bri

                      #89327
                      Boiler Bri
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                        @boilerbri

                        Tim. I miss read your post. You can have different rx selectable to models.

                        🤗🤗

                        Bri

                        #89328
                        Dave Milbourn
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                          @davemilbourn48782

                          There seems to be some confusion over the use of the model memory function. Please can I explain it – at least as far as I know it from practical experience of my Hitec and Futaba sets?

                          The required parameters for a given model [e.g. servo directions, throws, differentials etc] are programmed into the transmitter and then given a model name. You can set up as many as ten or more different sets of parameters on the same transmitter and give them all different names.

                          When you wish to operate a particular model you select the corresponding name on the transmitter when you switch it on. The receiver in the model will then respond to those settings. If you were then to select a different model memory on the Tx then that same receiver would follow the new settings i.e. the memory is set up in the transmitter, and any receiver whose frequency has been bound to that Tx will respond. No model memory data is 'held' in the receiver.

                          In practice then you would set up Yachts 1 – 3 [assuming that they all require different settings] and Locos 1 and 2 as model names on the transmitter and then select whichever model-memory name corresponds to the model you've chosen to run.

                          Dave M

                          #89329
                          Boiler Bri
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                            @boilerbri

                            Dave. Thank you. That’s just what I want to do. I don’t see the point in having one transmitter per model.

                            Brian

                            #89331
                            Malcolm Frary
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                              @malcolmfrary95515

                              And the usual rule as I understand it is that if you select the wrong model, you wind up using it with the wrong settings. Receivers don't bind with settings, they just bind, and it is up to the operator to ensure that the profile selected is the one for that model. Sometimes a big ask.

                              I try to stick with nice simple radio and adjust my model to fit what the transmitter is going to give me. This thinking was validated by one of my members have a sail arm punch its way through a bulkhead at switch-on.

                              #89332
                              Colin Bishop
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                                @colinbishop34627

                                Like Malcolm I prefer to adapt the model to standard settings if possible. For example rudder throw can be adjusted by altering the linkage between the tiller and servo.

                                Colin

                                #89333
                                Dave Milbourn
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                                  @davemilbourn48782

                                  Brain

                                  I'm glad to have been of some help. I had a Spektrum set once. I bought it for compatibility testing with ACTion stuff but I didn't like it much and sold it on. I'm now standardised on Hitec but that's become increasingly hard to get hold of. At least Spektrum has a UK service agent.

                                  Colin

                                  I also try to set my models up with the rudders in the same "sense" and the throttles all the correct way round. The throttle fwd/rev is easy but it's not always possible with the rudder, though. I've found that some models are better "tamed" by reducing the rudder servo end-points while others are OK at 100% each way. That's where the model memory really helps.

                                  Malcolm

                                  Very true but, as my late friend Craig Talbot said, "there's nothing you can realistically do to prevent the damage that can be caused by a truly determined idiot".

                                  Dave M

                                  #89335
                                  Ray Wood 3
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                                    @raywood3

                                    But has it got a 25 model memory ?? I have, but have trouble remembering where I might have put the model😄

                                    That's only half of them !

                                    Regards Rayimg_20200621_171721.jpg

                                    Edited By Ray Wood 2 on 21/06/2020 18:05:21

                                    #89336
                                    Dave Milbourn
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                                      @davemilbourn48782

                                      "So many toys – so little time…."

                                      DM

                                      #89337
                                      Boiler Bri
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                                        @boilerbri

                                        OMG Ray. That’s a bit of a stressful shelf.

                                        I hope you have them marked up to models. How do you keep up to the batteries?

                                        Bri

                                        #89338
                                        Ray Wood 3
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                                          @raywood3

                                          Hi Brian,

                                          I have shares in Duracell 😄 and I bought a Dymo label maker £3.99 in Aldi 👍😄 is brilliant all tx's labelled and when the batteries were new, my Radio Link set for my sailing barge are 2 years old. Interesting to note the Dymo machines are £32.00 in WH Smiths ???????I

                                          Regards Ray

                                          #89343
                                          Tim Rowe
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                                            @timrowe83142

                                            To DM and all

                                            I didn't explain the feature very well and I am glad to see the record put straight. I think what I meant to say has been well described. My apologies.

                                            Tim R

                                            #89344
                                            Dave Milbourn
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                                              @davemilbourn48782

                                              Tim

                                              I have to confess that my explanation took a lot longer to write than I thought it might – and I wasn't very happy with it at the end of the process. If it made some sort of sense then I'm content.

                                              Dave M

                                              #89345
                                              Gareth Jones
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                                                @garethjones79649

                                                I think Tim Rowe is correct in his explanation and the Spektrum DX6i does have protection against using the wrong transmitter settings with any previously bound receiver. The feature is called ModelMatch. The following text is taken directly from the manual:-

                                                BINDING

                                                You must bind the receiver to the transmitter before it will operate. Binding is sharing identification codes between the receiver and the active memory of the transmitter. Once bound the receiver only connects to the transmitter when the previously bound model memory is selected.

                                                I am pretty sure it does work like this as I have a number of different yachts programmed into my DX6i and have occasionally wondered why a model does not work, usually when testing something in the workshop, and I have found I had the wrong model selected on the transmitter. My memory is probably less reliable than the transmitters.

                                                The basic channel settings are stored in the transmitter memory not the receiver. However some data must be stored in the receiver, apart from the transmitters identification code, if only to set up the fail safe settings. Fail safe settings might not seem so important in model boats but they can be particularly significant in model yachts with big powerful sail winches. I have had a sail arm servo tear itself out of its mountings when the arm came up against the extended keel inside the hull. It was my fault, I turned the transmitter off before the receiver, it went into the default failsafe mode which was throttle fully back and that was outside the normal travel range of the sailwinch. Nowadays I am more careful in making sure I have set the failsafe to the setting I need, not the default which is usually appropriate to a model aircraft.

                                                Gareth

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                Edited By Gareth Jones on 22/06/2020 08:07:01

                                                #89346
                                                Dave Milbourn
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                                                  @davemilbourn48782

                                                  Thanks for that, Gareth. I've not heard of that feature on any other brand of radio, but Spektrum always did things their own way. It does make sense when you think about it, but it means that if you move a receiver from one model to a new one then you need to rebind it with the Tx. It won't affect Brian's choice – he still only needs the one transmitter.

                                                  As regards failsafe it's a royal PITA for a model boat – unless it's powered with an I/C engine. It doesn't help that manufacturers all seem to have a slightly different way of settling into failsafe mode. Some will revert to a preset position for every servo; some will freeze all the servos at their present position except the throttle, which is returned to dead-slow or stop; some will centre all the servos before setting the failsafe position of the throttle. The only way to find out is to switch off your Tx and see what happens. It would be useful if one could simply turn it off. After all, modern electronic speed controllers invariably stop the motor if no valid signal is received.

                                                  Dave M

                                                  #89348
                                                  Malcolm Frary
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                                                    @malcolmfrary95515

                                                    Always good to learn something new. Some swear by Spektrum, some swear at them.

                                                    A problem with failsafes on boats is that what is safe in one set of circumstances might not be in another. Probably "Safe for everybody else" should win, and slowing a power boat should be helpful. But I can't think of any setting that is universally safe for a sailboat. Planes and buggys that have been brought to a halt can generally be walked over to. Boats, less so. ESCs cuttng off to a signal loss was OK, no problem with that. But that was from the days of "dumb" radios that just passed information on. Some clever modern receivers think they know better, and do their best to retain normal service by remembering what they last heard and keeping that going. If it is just a few frames of information, OK, but any longer could create problems.

                                                    Dymo – a machine for permanently displaying mans inability to spell. I have fond memories of a row of part drawers where various indicators were kept in an office variously labelled "Inicators" and "idicators" and "idnicators". I have found that printing on a slip of paper and covering it with a length of Sellotape works and lasts well. Its what I did with the bind instructions for my Saturn transmitter. Very necessary due to the many unintuitive steps needed.

                                                    #89351
                                                    Colin Bishop
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                                                      @colinbishop34627

                                                      Tim and Gareth are right! embarrassedembarrassedembarrassed

                                                      Just found my DX6i handbook.

                                                      Quote:

                                                      Model Match

                                                      With patented Model Match technology you'll never mistakenly attempt to fly your model using the wrong memory again. …..

                                                      During binding the receiver actually learns and remembers the specific model memory that the TX is currently programmed to. Later, if the incorrect model is selected in the TX and the RX is turned on, the model simply won't operate…..

                                                      We live and learn…

                                                      Colin

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