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  • #2222
    Alun
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      @alun

      Sea queen

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      #38694
      Alun
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        @alun

        Hi all Alun here in sunny Flintshire as the title says I'm new to the boating scene but have been rc crazy with cars ands planes over the years I have just restored an old sea queen which is a lovely boat and I will put some photos up as soon as I can . My main reason for writing this thread is that I have just ordered the new version of the sea queen in kit form and would like to know if any body else out there has built one and could offer any hints or tips in the building of this boat

        #38698
        LARRY WHETTON
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          @larrywhetton68737

          Hello Alun,

          wecome that is nice find, built one for the jubilee , using plank on frame, structure…

           

           

           

          a big boat , shall remember this build cost me the top of my thumb,,,,,,,,,,

          cheers Larry………………..

          Edited By LARRY WHETTON on 14/01/2013 16:06:58

          #38699
          Alun
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            @alun

            Hi larry yes she is a good find she looks a lot different know and will soon be on the water, I have seen many of your posts on the Internet you also have the duck if I'm right I was thinking of restoring my boat back to how it would of been in he sixties / seventies I have a taycol supermarine motor in its original box which I got given about seven years ago but I could not be bothered in the end so I put a nice 850 torpedo motor in her instead , once I have worked out how to upload more pics I will show you more many thanks and happy building

            #38700
            Alun
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              @alun

              Forgot to put cabin roof on sorry

              #38701
              Alun
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                @alun

                Taycol super marine

                #38702
                Alun
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                  @alun
                  Posted by Alun on 14/01/2013 20:21:28:

                  Taycol super marineUndecided yet if I will fit this if not I might sell it on and buy some more goodies for the new sea queen kit I have

                  #39006
                  Alun
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                    @alun

                    Hello all

                    right I am after a bit of advice regarding my sea queen it has been restored with all new motor , esc and what ever but when I throttle the motor to just past a quarter it blows the fuse the esc I am using is a fusion aquapower 280 12 volt 7amp gell cell and an 850 motor these were all recommended to me by my local model shop . Is it necessary to have an inline fuse as the esc has a thermal cut of built in .any help on this frustrating matter would be great full .

                    cheers again Alun

                    #39008
                    Malcolm Frary
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                      @malcolmfrary95515

                      First you need to know what current the motor wants under load, either by measuring using an ammeter, or getting an assortment box of fuses and incrementing the value until it doesn't blow, settling on that value. Normally the fuse should be between battery and ESC, the ESC should take care of problems on the moitor side, the battery fuse is there to protect the model against any ill effects of an ESC fault.

                      You were right to not use the Taycol. For all their vitues of solid built, being field wound rather than permanent magnet, they do need a few extra components to work from an ESC. A bridge rectifier to keep the magnetism of either the coil or com in one direction, and a lot of suppression to let the radio work at all.

                      #39009
                      Dave Milbourn
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                        @davemilbourn48782

                        If we can believe the specification this ESC can withstand a continuous current of 280A. I smell Chinese amps again! Even if we divide that by ten it should be meaty enough for your 850. MFA rate these motors at 11A but I've seen them blow 20A ESCs without so much as a "by your leave". I would follow Malcolm's advice about fitting a progressively heavier fuse until you find one that doesn't blow. I'd start with 15A, and would recommend auto blade fuses rather than those spring-loaded cartridge types (which have poor contacts).
                        Dave M

                        #39016
                        ashley needham
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                          @ashleyneedham69188

                          Alun. I am a fan of the mfa 800 AND 850 MOTORS. I would fit a 20A fuse and as Dave says use those flat auto types. Very easy, dont need a fuse holder, simply cut one battery wire and fit two female 1/4 inch blade connectors, The fuse will plug straight into them and voila! instant fusing.

                          My MFA speedboat uses an 850 on 12v and the 25A esc copes well, doesnt even get particularly warm. Use a 50mm X prop.

                          280A ESC?? just imagine the size of wire you would need for that !!

                          Ashley

                          #39019
                          Paul T
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                            @pault84577

                             

                            To put 280A into perspective

                            My 5 litre diesel 4×4, which weighs 3 tons , has a maximum current draw of 120A when cold starting. To provide this level of power the car is fitted with 2 huge batteries and the cables to the starter motor are 20mm in diameter.

                            To understand how powerful 120A is: 

                            If the starter motor turns for more that 30 seconds it automatically shuts down to prevent it from burning out.

                            Edited By Paul T on 03/02/2013 06:48:22

                            #39020
                            Alun
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                              @alun

                              Hi Paul

                              this esc has baffled the heck out of me I am used to ic engines this is my first time with electric and I just can't get my head round all this electrical talk . What would you say this esc would really be rated at I will post a pic on my album of the reverse of the box that has all the details on . Maybe then some one could decider all the mumbo jumbo that I don't understand . Many thanks again Paul

                              cheers alun

                              #39022
                              Paul T
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                                @pault84577

                                Good Morning Alun

                                I also have to admit that the dark art of electronics is something of a mystery to me as well and that I am far more comfortable with IC.

                                I can say that after bitter experience with a Chinese ESC I always buy British manufactured equipment which always works and as they say 'does exactly what it says on the tin'

                                For expert advice on anything electronic I consult my good friend Dave Milbourn (resident of this forum) who is the dogs dodahs when it come to anything more complicated than changing a fuse.

                                If you talk to Dave dont forget to ask him how the new workshop is getting on. wink

                                Paul

                                #39026
                                Telstar
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                                  @telstar

                                  Hi Alun perhaps I can add my twopennuth (is that a word)

                                  To continuously carry 280A safely a copper wire should be 10mm diameter (a bit big for models).

                                  So if these Esc's are rated that high what size are the connections?

                                  A Torpedo 850 will take about 18A if correctly sized with a prop to give maximum power out, if it takes more than that I would be worried, it is running inefficiently and will get quite warm.

                                  I think the best method of knowing the right size of prop is to check the max no load rpm of the motor, then check the max on load rpm. If the on load rpm is less than Half the no load prm your prop is too big . If the on load rpm is about 3/4 the no loadrpm the motor is about its best efficiency, if it is near 1/2 then the motor is about max output power

                                  PS Dave how's the new workshop

                                  cheers Tom

                                  #39135
                                  Alun
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                                    @alun

                                    Afternoon all, after sorting out my esc problems and in line fuse problem (had the fuse wired from esc to motor instead of battery to esc I know have the problem with the prop I'm running a 65 mm prop whilst this gives me propulsion both forward and reverse it is rather slower than I had expected or want I am after a bit more speed to get my hippo of a boat on the plane , the question I have is would I be better reducing the size or raising the size of the prop to get a bit more out of her.

                                    Any advice to this newbie will be great fully welcome

                                    many thanks alun

                                    #39136
                                    ashley needham
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                                      @ashleyneedham69188

                                      Alan. I would stick to an x50 prop, or a brass 50mm with the 850. Anything larger I think will need gearing down. The 800 might be ok on a 65mm but it does not rev as much and has a low amp consumption to start with, so a little bit of overloading is acceptable.

                                      Ashley

                                      #39137
                                      shipwright
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                                        @shipwright

                                        Alan, when your boat is in the water is it lying evenly balanced fore and aft ? Those 12 volt 7ah SLAs are quite heavy (about 2.5 kg) and you might get improved performance by using similar capacity NiMH battery. I've got a Nautical Marine HMS Biter model which is smaller than the Sea Queen. It does get "up on the plane" but I know from measurements that each motor (twin shafts) is consuming about 10 Amps at 7.2 volts which is approximately 70 watts. Assuming an efficiency of 70% then actual power into each propshaft is about 50 watts – which is 2 x 50 = 100 watts total.

                                        According to MFA's own data the MFA 850 motor will deliver 80 watts output with a 12 volt supply with rpm = 8300 at an efficiency of 62% (which implies that it will dissipate about 50 watts heat !!). Given that my boat is smaller than yours maybe you need a motor capable of giving more than 80 watts output to get it planing. Perhaps Larry could say whether his boat planes and what motor and battery he is using.

                                        Regards.

                                        Ian

                                        #39154
                                        Ian Gardner
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                                          @iangardner62867

                                          **LINK**

                                          You might find this interesting. Details of the setup are included in the post. Hope the link works.

                                          Ian

                                          #39155
                                          shipwright
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                                            @shipwright

                                            **LINK**

                                            …. and here is another link where someone is asking what motors and batteries should be fitted into a Sea Queen. If you really do want fast performance then it is feasible but comes at a price – the run time is going to be short. One other point – what is the scale of the Sea Queen and what is the top speed of the "real" full size boat ? Many people run their model boats in excess of scale full speed.

                                            #41959
                                            Alun
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                                              @alun

                                              Well hello all as some of you might know I have restored this sea queen and am building the new version of the sea queen as well , the new one will be built as per the instructions , but as for the old one I have decided to ic this one now I have acquired a very nice webra 61 (well nice know it has been stripped and cleaned ) I have but only one question and that is ,this one is for you Paul T lol what is the best coupling to use on this some what frowned upon beauty . Many thanks

                                              alun

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