Vintage Gentleman’s Cruiser

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Enough has been said generally I think, we should all be on the same wavelength now!

Colin

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Latest WIP picture

Foredeck being worked on

The sliding stand is a nice feature…..It can`t fall off

To be correct, the main cabin should encroach on the foredeck, but Mr T likes it as it is

We`ll see…….Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

It looks lovely and you could be right about moving the cabin further forward, could you take another photo with the cabin moved forward so that I can have a look?

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Ok Paul, I will cut the cabin out and take another picture for your appraisal

I can always patch it up again

The hull weighs 15,5 lb now

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hi Bob

I have tried photo shopping you picture to see how the forward cabin position will look but sorry to say that it didn't work very well.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Paul

Have now cut the cabin out and moved it forward and it does look a little unspectacular, but when the rear section is added, it will be transformed!…..Hopefully

It's an interesting section with the sunken area and curved canopy with short windscreen……You'll love it…..Hopefully

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Busy shop floor to unusually silent Drawing Office

A few pictures of the latest WIP………..The first picture shows the stern area, we are talking about

Like it now, Paul?

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Bob

I've been thinking about this for the past couple of hours and I am sorry to say that in my personal opinion the forward position makes the boat look front heavy and disproportioned.

I have even tried changing the design and removed the forward third of the wheelhouse by photo-shopping the image to see if making the foredeck longer would help regain the sleekness of the original design. I am sad to report that all I achieved was to move the disproportional effect from the bow to the wheelhouse.

However this is just my opinion and it has no validity other than being an opinion, if you like the cabin in this position then you should continue with the build.

Paul

[IAN_IParticipant @ian_i]

Hi Bob and Paul…

The build looks great and coming together, if you don't mind my input…

Do you think its the cabin windows that are slightly over sized making it look front heavy…?

Just a thought..

Best regards,

Ian

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Ian

We welcome any and all comments and you have made a very valid point.

At first glance I thought the same but knowing that Bob would have a trick up his sleeve I looked closer and realised that Bob is intending to line the window openings, (see the forward windows in the wheelhouse) so when the boat is finished the openings wont look so large.

Paul

[Diede van AbsParticipant @diedevanabs87670]

Bob, Paul, Ian,

I think the disproportional look will diminish once the aft roofing is made and the chimney is placed. You are judging from an incomplete picture now, please refer to the picture of the original – Ian posted it right above here.

If it still looks out of shape, try extending the raised foredeck a few cm aft – that gives you the long and sleek foredeck while still being able to have the cabin extend over it.

Also, the roofs of the original seem to be a lot less curved than on the model – maybe flatten them a bit, to only a gentle curve?

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you, Ian

The windows are a bit oversize, but they are correct to drawing…….Come in, Paul, face the music and dance

They have yet to have an inner frame, which should help

Paul

I think the rear section adds interest to the model,with the stairs descending down into the engine bay, so I'll carry on with the build and hope for the best. It's a tricky interesting area

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

Yes the window openings are exactly as the drawings and I stand by the original design the difference is that your version of the build has been modified and changed to suit your individual requirements.

Perhaps this would be a good point to remind the readers that the original design wasn't intended to be a exact copy of the Seadog, The design was meant to be a typical type of the time and the Seadog was only given as an example.

The original design was intended to be an easier to construct version that avoided a lot of the 'twiddley bits' such as the funnel and rear sunken cockpit.

To his credit Bob has been developing the boat to include these items and in point of fact there are now two versions of the design, the original Lady Jane and Bobs version now called Lady Joyce.

The proportions and layout of the original design can be seen in the prototypes below

Paul

 

Edited By Paul T on 06/10/2014 16:43:13

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Nice explanation there, Paul

I like the chimney, it's a nice feature, will look nice with a hint of fumes emitting

Not forgetting the obligatory brass band

The dinghy is also an interesting feature

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

I'm not sure about a brass band but there might be room for a string quartet

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Straight out of the knife box!

It's the way yer tell 'em!

Bob

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Personally, and without using the disclaimer card, I would lower the cabin roof a bit. However this is a personal taste thing. Secondly (not that was a firstly) it is difficult to get a feel for the boat proportions from an unfinished boat picture.

Oddly enough same thing happened with the Alvis. I was really unconvinced regarding the proportions until I fitted the hatches and men and so on, and then it looked ok.

Speaking of men… I would get some figures like wot you intend to fit and use them to judge as to the proportions of the windows.

Ashley

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Ash

As you know I am not a fan of putting figures on models but Bob should have no trouble in finding 8 inch figures for his boat

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you, Ashley and Paul for your comments

The cabin height has already been lowered and if your can make out the chap in the boat below, his head is almost touching the ceiling!

Also note the unusually large windows

I will consider lowering the roof after reading any forthcoming posts

Bob

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Bob. As I said its difficult to judge really just lloking at pics, but looking at this last photo i would err on "too low" rather than "too high" for the cabin, given a choice.

If you have lowered the cabin since the last shot of the build I recon that will probably do it.

My method on semi scale items or DIY boats has always been to make the proportions right with the occupants.

Stylistically, the windows of this last picture has them wider than taller..or are they square?

Ashley

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you Ashley

I've been scratching my head, all morning and there's saw dust everywhere!

Can't see an easy solution at the moment…..But…..

The full size craft is 55 ft long and the model is 5ft long

That makes the model…….1/11th scale

Mr Average, up North is 5'-10"……..That's 70" in real money………Model man is 6 1/2" tall

Will make a plywood cutout and present the evidence shortly

What an exciting idea?

Now who would fit the bill?…….Mr Brunel!……Come forth and save the day, please

Aye Aye! Sir!……….(Hark at him, calling me……Sir?)

Capt Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Couldn`t find Izzy anywhere, but found this old Geezer!

What does the team think now?

The chap at the front, is about right compared to the photo…..ie…….Head near the ceiling?

Bob

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

I would use 1/12 scale figures at 6 inches and then you can use dolls house fitting to accessorise the cabins (easy).

Brunels glorious hat may impinge on cabin room.

Another cheat, make the cabin crews legs shorter !!!

Ashley

[Diede van AbsParticipant @diedevanabs87670]

Bob, judging from your last picture you could scrape a bit off the height of the cabin.

Making the roof curvature less pronounced will also help.

Lastly, as I stated in my previous posting; BUILD the friggin' aft roofing and the chimney before judging again! I think that will drastically improve the way it looks. I think you are pretty much on the right track, it just doesn't look good YET as it simply is not complete.

A car also looks shitty if you do not include the wheels…

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Right boys, I will carry on regardless and build the rear section next and chop later!

BTW The pictures of me have been thinned down slightly, but I've overdone it a bit!

Diede, your colourful language is a little strong?……You'll get cop it off Colin, if you are not careful…..lol

Reducing the roof curvature is a good idea!….Thanks

Bob

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