Victory Nelson’ s Great Warship

[Tim CooperParticipant @timcooper90034]

[Tim CooperParticipant @timcooper90034]

Channel 5 tonight at 8 pm, 6 part series on historic ships, beginning with the Victory.

Doesn't say it has been on before.

Tim

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Good spot Tim. too late for me to have caught the first one but will set the old VCR for the rest! Ashley

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

I watched it but found it a bit shallow if you are already familiar with the ship and her history. Nothing new really but good to know they are publicising these vessels to people who may know little or anything about them.

Colin

[Tim CooperParticipant @timcooper90034]

I watched it in between a bit of modelling but expected more about the Victory.

Seemed to be more about Nelson .

Tim

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Its ok if you video it and watch it afterwards and f/f the boring bits. It is a shame they dumb down these programs.

Ashley

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

I presume that the producers have to create a programme that appeals to the widest audience, do schools still teach history that includes these things?

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

To most folk, it is just another "boat!" So much has been written about it that I must admit, I find my eyes "glazing over" whenever it is mentioned – Same goes for Cutty Sark – Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

I would have thought that the preservation of older ships would meet with your approval, I appreciate that they are not of your era but they do help demonstrate to the modern generation the privations that seafarers faced in the past.

A couple of weeks ago I was wandering around the historic ships in the Albert Dock and thought that you would be perfectly at home.

Which little ship are you going to build next?

Paul

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

Paul

The presevration of the Victory is excellent, and I have no problem with that, also the Warrior, that I find far more impressive, and also the Great Britain and the Glenlee (how many have even heard of Glenlee?) But at the same time, to most people in Britain, they are just "old boats!" As far as I am concerned, they have ruined the Cutty Sark by the way she is displayed in something like a big glass marshmallow! As for what I will build next, maybe nothing. Interest from ship model builders in merchant ships has declined to such an extent, that it is hardly worth showing them. Take my Helen Craig, for instance, in the Scratchbuilt section here on MB, virtually no interest. or curiosity as to what it would look like when completed has been shown. It was sold within hours of completion to a local collector, as most of them are, but I am coming under so much pressure from collectors that it has taken all the pleasure out of it for me. Since the Gulf Stream was damaged in transit to Belgium, I have decided not to send any by courier any more, and insisting on personal collection has virtually wiped out their selling potential.

I stopped taking them to the local ship model society ages ago, because of lack of interest, and not a single member has asked me why! Times change, and interests change on the ship model scene, and I guess I am now beyond my sell-by date!

I am doing a lot more reading and writing though (maritime, merchant navy only), but most of the interest is on the other side of the world – USA, Far East and Australia/New Zealand, but our microscopic publishing empire (Sheltederck Publishing) is now thriving!

Bob

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Quite agree re Cutty Sark, an absolutely dreadful job, you simply cannot take in the ship as a whole anymore. Those responsible should be keel hauled.

Colin

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

I can understand the need to support the ship along the waterline with those large steels and using the dry dock as a covered multi-functional space makes excellent economic sense but having a such a heavy section 'bus station' roof does rather detract from the ships graceful lines.

Bob have you ever done a model of Batavia queen?

Paul

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Paul,

Formerly you could see the graceful lines but the way the ship is currently displayed you simply cannot see them from ground level anymore.

Colin

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

I saw Batavia Queen in the film Krakatoa, East of Java, but never built one. Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

Having been an avid follower of your builds for years I would like to presume to think that the Batavia queen fits your style

Paul

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

The film was wrong, Kratatoa is East of Java….

Pedantic me!

Colin

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

The film is called "Krakatoa, East of Java!" So why is it wrong? **LINK**

I have built quite a few like that, but I only build what I have plans for!

Bob

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

Just looked it up. Apparently, Krakatoa was west of Java, when it still existed! – Here is a steamship assisted by sail like the Batavia Queen was, but much bigger. Bob

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Sorry, my mistake, I meant west of Java! Busy day today.

Kipling got it wrong too in Mandalay, the dawn doesn't 'come up like thunder outer of China 'crost the Bay'

Sounds good though.

Colin

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

So who said that Kipling was actually in Madalay? He was only on the road to Mandalay, so the sun might well have come up like thunder wherever it was, as long as it was on the west side of a bay which adjoins China.
Pedantic? Who? Me??
I last visited Victory in 1961, before they put the bus station up around it. We also visited Cutty Sark about two days before the big fire, so we haven't seen what a travesty they've since made of it.
The Vasa is the best example I've seen of how a complete ship should be preserved. It's truly jaw-dropping.
DM

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

When I was in Stockholm, I never even visted Vasa, but went to see iron full-rigged ship Af Chapman instead! In Portsmouth, I visted Victory and Warrior, but never bothered with Mary Rose Neither Vasa nor Mary Rose were particularly successful as ships, and were built too far back to kindle any interest in me!

Bob

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Yes, Vasa is amazing. We didn't have long enough there.I did get some pics for the magazine though. I will see if I can post some of them on here as an article.

Colin

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

You can see the article here:

**LINK**

Colin

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

It will always amaze me how these little, fragile wooden ships managed to sail beyond sight of land never mind cross the oceans like Mayflower or circumnavigate the globe like The Golden Hind.

Brave men.

Bob

Have you ever been inclined to build a model of Great Eastern?

Paul

[Bob WilsonParticipant @bobwilson59101]

They were probably quite strongly built, but often with no apparent grasp of stability!

No, I have never wanted to build Great Eastern. I always thought it was rather shapeless. Same went for Great Britain that I also thought was quite ugly, although it was interesting to visit.

I find ships like this far more attractive.

Bob

 

Edited By Bob Wilson on 11/10/2018 14:26:03

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