Todays Boating

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

yes, was not expecting components just yet. The layout of the craft is such that I can fit these…components…at the last knockings.

​I am not sure it will ice over just yet as it has been warm for a few days…but you never kno

Ashley

[Tim CooperParticipant @timcooper90034]

Ashley

Up here in the frozen North (East Midlands) everything seems to have stopped. Only a few buses running. Airport closed but should be opening soon. Does not look too bad to me from my nice warm chair but I am in the Trent Valley. Will see later when I have take the dog for a walk.

Tim

Edited By Tim Cooper on 18/03/2018 08:00:01

[Trevor HollowayParticipant @trevorholloway99134]

I am going to give it a go, although it may just turn into "show and tell".

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

We have decided on a coffee show`n`tell at mine rather than the pond, as likely we would be the only ones there!! All welcome! (mail me)

​Always useful these chats as we mull over stuff and problem solve. Even whacky ideas can sometimes be useful! A detail on proj DW needs thinking over. Speaking of which, the hull is jolly heavy now, and having put some decking on have realised the easy access to put lead ballast in has gone…..might this be a mistake?? it will depend on the amount of ballast needed and its position on the…craft.. I suppose. I should have no issues hopefully, the runner for the battery to slide in is much too long for the battery so the weights can be slid along it to the pointy end.

​The roof insulation on the shed is now showing its usefulness, as spent half the day in there yesterday and it was nowhere near as cold as outside.

​Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

I was wondering a while ago what would happen to the counters on todays boating when it went over the 100.000 views, but I see the "r/c springer tug" thread on the other American site has had well over 2,000,000 views…. Hmmmm

Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

A foul-up has occurred with project DW, fortunately not terminal. The drawing was labelled as per, but it seems this was a foreign variant. 3 minutes work with a pencil and ruler and 3 mins sawing with a fine toothed saw has corrected the error.

​Actually this is handy because we discussed the room available at the stern on Sunday and the alternative (correct as it happens) variant was touted as having more below deck space for some items of gear and indeed this is the case. It was not a particular issue, the lack of room as I had already lined up a cheat for it……

​I have a Graupner speed 600 ECO in the spares box and intend to use this, but I also need a prop preferably 40mm or bigger, and will have to see if this motor, on 7.2V will turn a plastic 3 blade prop adequately. They are very shallow pitched these types, so I may get away with it, however the watt-meter will be the decider.

​I become officially old tomorrow sob sob, but am looking forward to 1/2 price meals at the garden centres….

Ashley

[Trevor HollowayParticipant @trevorholloway99134]

Ashley – so the paper version was wrong, that will make it more interesting.

Maybe you will get the hang of r*^%$)ment after all your practice.

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Trevor. I think the paper version for a Russian one, despite the label, and for a moment I contemplated MAKING a Russian one, as this would be unusual. However I could not use the paint scheme we discussed then, detracting from the overall look and disguising the zhdjdn788hg23 of it.

​I have made the rudder post apparatus and there is indeed room in there as you surmised, so no need to cheat after all.

​Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

I have now reached the sanding/filling stage. Surprisingly, no sanding has been done thus far, and this is the usual with my projects. All the bits that need sanding have been stuck on, most of them were slightly oversize to allow for this, and after a bit of filling the whole thing will be sealed, sanded and dusted with spray primer to see what it looks like, as there's nothing better than a coat of paint to show the wobbly bits. After this, and any further work, there will be a couple of coats of household light grey primer (and this does not reflect the finished colour….) and more sanding before adding any further bits.

​Trevor has found a most amazing box-with-lights which is just begging to be used, but half the features on it cannot be used on my craft due to its early date!!! I have something else in mind though which can use all the features (and its mouthwateringly clever) AND there is easy access to retrofit the bits.

​I have also started work on the crew, and will take a leaf out of DM`s book and am going for strict realism this time (in your dreams), so any amount of fiddling necessary here.

​Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

I was given a big bunch of balsa "planks" ages ago, from someone who got then to do some planking with but decided against using them, they are about 5mm wide or so. I took them off his hand as you never know, they may be useful!

​Having had them for a number of years, and having given some away as I never thought I would use them….blow me down if I COULD use them on project DW!! As usual, I do not have enough….so….

​off to the model shop tomorrow to see what he has. Not holding much hope, and if he does have some thin stuff I bet it will not be long enough. Just possibly, as I am only short by a few bits, I MAY be able to cut some planks from a bit of balsa sheet I have, the snall bandsaw may be ok, as the balsa is soft and I should be able to cut reasonably parallel thin slices off.

Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

….purchased some 5mm Lime planks and they are just right, well finished and bend around the curves without the need for heat or steam, very nice.

​Servo arrangement has been revised from that anticipated as I am going to have a deck access hatch at the stern. The split lines will be mostly hidden by "stuff" on deck. Having revised the servo arrangement in the light of this development, the supporting beam I had in place COULD have been cut to suit the servo, but it does not make much difference, only to the neatness of it.

Some grey indrcoat has been splashed on the cabin area to see what work still needs to be donr, but it is looking good.

​Todays boating. Myself, with Project H, Cap`n Richard (Arr me hearties) and Noel with two small boys (and Mrs Noel). Noel had my ex-foam flyer down and running on a 3s Lipo was going well. Balance it tricky on these craft, and It might be interesting to make a slightly larger foam flyer with a more powerful brushless motor, but this time have the wings adjustable, to see if indeed we could get it to take off in a flat sort of stance and not just rocket skywards.
​The Cap`n also gifted me an ancient approx. 70mm ducted fan casing and fan, sized to fit a 500 can sized motor. Hmmm..tried it at home with a "cooking" Graupner speed 600 ECO and it showed promise. It really needs a hot 600, or 500, or better still a high Kv brushless. I have added another craft to the list to use this in….

Ashley

[NoelParticipant @noel26080]

Nice to go down Sunday for the first time in about a month, and have a go with the Ekranoplan again. Would be fun to give it some kind of control capability in the vertical plane as the trim changes a lot as it speeds up, planes, then gets air under the wings instead of water, then lifts off etc… there's a lot going on hydro- and aero-dynamically!

Shame the Duracells in the sailing boat were on last legs as it was a good sailing sday and at least one son was interested in actually sailing it!
But his bear got a good stint helming the Wavemaster without falling out! Only downer being big water leak up the rudder tube. This is getting worse and I think I'll need something absorbent in the stern compartment from now on.

Noel.

 

Edited By Noel on 27/03/2018 16:10:16

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Noel. Just possibly, as a thought, water may be getting pushed up the tube due to pressure from the prop. Can be cured by a small fairing to deflect water away. May be worth trying? Greasing the shaft may also help….it is loose at all??

​Re Ecranoplan. I really just stuck the wings on in a best guess attitude. The way forward would be to make another and this time use adjustable wings to get a better stance at speed before it takes off. A slightly larger tail plane or flaps may also help to lift the rear end at speed (on my to-do list). Until it is balanced properly I think thing there would be no point in making working wing flaps. BUT it would be very cool to get it floating off the watrer surface!

​Ashley

[NoelParticipant @noel26080]

Will try a tape-based fairing ahead of the rudder for next time, good idea.

I think, that it would be great to be able to stabilize the flyer when it gets off the water. Wonder if some moving trim tabs (or elevators) on the tailplane would do the trick? That would be easier to install with a micro servo pushing a vertical rod up the back of the tail plane… I am loath to interfere with it too much though. If the evelators go behind the prop it should make them quite effective.
I still need to finish my jet hydroplane though!

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi guys as a model flyer for the past 48 years I'd suggest you made an RC plane floats rather than the other way round gravity's the problem once you leave the planet !!

Regards Ray

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Ray. yes its not easy and it is the reason my "flying boats" were not made to fly.

​The Ecranoplan is a very odd design, made to skim above the water and so we are hit with several compromises to start with when even thinking about actual flight. Apparently the original could get up to about 3000 ft which of course is not much for an aircraft (I think that's right…)

​As the models will actually leave the water it is tempting to think they might really fly, but somehow I think not.

Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Boating today:

​the TITANIC is leaking!!

​Oh no. The last 3 compartments had about an inch of water in when it was removed from the deep blue after an hours sailing.

​Upon resting it on its box, a stream of water was seen trickling out from the stern, at the rudder bottom support. When dry I will have to investigate. The support is no loose, but I might have to dig a bit of material out around the external joint and re-fill this, and I might also mix a bit of resin and pour it in the stern to seal it from the inside. Always something to fix.

Ashley

[Trevor HollowayParticipant @trevorholloway99134]

Ashley – what is wrong with a leaky Titanic ?

I thought you were going for authenticity !

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Ashley

Leave the leak and make an iceberg.

Paul

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Thank you chaps for that….

​Project DW has just become project Z, as the previous foul-up has been reversed, and in fact far from being a foul up, has been turned around to be something a bit different. It does mean my planned snazzy paint scheme will have to be re thought, but having done that I have come up with an alternative scheme!

Ashley

[harry smith 1Participant @harrysmith1]

Hi Ashley

The hole in the Titanic is at the wrong end, ewe must have the chinese plans (wrong way) !!!

This is the new club video

**LINK**

Harry

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Yes Harry perhaps I read the drawings wrong! Yet another video further demonstrating why you should be banned from posting such things. The word canal is most usually applied to a grimy thin strip of water with push chairs and old tyres in, and having a 6 foot concrete drop as the launching area…obviously in Taz the word means summat else?

​Is this your boat, the camera one? I seem to see it going backwards…surely you never go backwards??? I thought you only went forwards….at warp speed…

​Project Z coming on, just a few things to make before the serious business of painting commences. Some paint HAS been applied, but I have found with these matt colours that in order to get a good even finish over the craft you need to cover everything in one hit, from the same tinlet, and so I need to finish off a a few th9ings before waiting for a warm day and splashing on the paint.,

​The second colour, which I may need to artistically tint to take some of the brightness off it will be easy to apply although the correct scheme has yet to be decided, and to this end I may make several drawings and get my colouring pencils out to get the best look.

Ashley

[harry smith 1Participant @harrysmith1]

Hi Ashley

No, it's not my boat, it's a club members Fantome with twin G60 brushless motors on 6S !!!

It's detuned from 3 blade props to 2 blade and trimmed down on the throttles because on the first test he barrel roll it on the first run(only made 50 feet).

Well summer is coming to the end and we are about to start into autumn.

We are up in the north of the state at present with a nice day at the Don River railway and a nip down to Sheffield to the steam railway for a ride.

So I have had my training for the year.

Harry

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Harry. Did not think it was yours, after all, surely you only go forwards, fast!

​Tomorrows boating will be….Ferry and a.n.other LCM, A90 Ecranoplan, and 1/3 of the flock. I will also bring down Project Z for perusal although I will not be sploshing it in the water.

If its really nice I may chuck something else in the car…

What will everyone else be boating with tomorrow???

​DM has had his flabber gasted after the disclosure of a future project. Will it be a viable "do"?? we will see later on!

Ashley

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

DM has had his flabber gasted after the disclosure of a future project.

The man is either inspired or should be sectioned. Project H in my opinion is undo-able by anyone except AN.
I'm reminded of the work of an earlier eccentric modeller called Peter Holland. Does anyone else remember him? He'd have had so much fun with all the clever gizmos now available!

DM

Edited By Dave Milbourn on 07/04/2018 19:47:30

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