Todays Boating

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Yes, looks like Ashley is at the tupping point…

Colin

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Oooooh very good!

Both Tups went indifferently due to the quite strong gusty wind (must lay off the bbq beans). Other boats ok.

Had a wizard idea for next project though, something that has been on the book for ages.

Next Tuesday am for boating weather permitting.

Ashley

[Empire ParkstoneParticipant @empireparkstone]

Unusual they normally either follow like sheep or ram each other

[raymond broadfieldParticipant @raymondbroadfield80452]

I've heard that they are introducing parking fees to Bushy Park ,is this true ? May make it expensive to use the pond when I finally get back to the hobby.

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Raymond. Yes, and well over the top by the looks of it…..

1.40 an hour…but 2 an hour Sundays, 6 hrs max stay and no reduction for longer stays…..that’s public car park prices.

Unfortunately there is no alternative round here. Silvermere I think is the nearest but it’s a club and no fast boats…..or there is a club at Home Park, next door to Bushy but that’s sail only.

By the time you have driven all that way (and paid a small charge I believe at Silvermere…certainly club fees, you may as well be at Bushy.

There was a “consultation” period, laughably, but although you know the money won’t go on beautifying the park, you cannot, on paper, argue against the aims of the raised money…less pollution, money to do stuff in the park, better for wildlife and all that.

The park has a “temporary” road block across the main Chestnut Ave, so you can only get to the Diana car park (for boating) via the Hampton court gate. Teddington gate only allows access to the Wilderness car park (for the Hampton side of the park) and the Pheasantry cafe. That’s a 6 month “trail” to see how it improves things, but as I see no criteria against how effective the block is, it’s another laughable thing.

Its a bugger, but hey ho, you could say we have had it good for the last 30 years!

Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Nasty out. Staying in unless I hear otherwise. But anything can happen in the next half-hour (clue)

checked wood stock before lockdown, however bound NOT to have what I want for the next project….stand by for action! (Clue)

got two sheets 2mm ply and one of 0.8mm which should do. Also have a 2600 kv inrunner…must be good for something…waterjet perhaps?

Ashley

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[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

What should we do now Troy ??

[Richard BarnettParticipant @richardbarnett67129]

Will be partaking of a bit of a sail tomorrow morn if anyone’s around otherwise I can chat to the ducks.

Ricky ye pirate 🏴‍☠️

[Chris FellowsParticipant @chrisfellows72943]

Posted by Ray Wood 2 on 03/11/2020 09:33:39:

What should we do now Troy ??

And Marina is keeping stump!

Chris

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Looking at the top and very secret project, there is an issue. It had no visible rudder.

An oversight perhaps but all it did was pose behind a fish tank.

it rather looks like an external rudder will have to fitted or some sort of device is located in the Ratemaster cylinder?

Ashley

[Chris FellowsParticipant @chrisfellows72943]

Was going to say could you adapt the fins at the back of the roof as rudders and then thought stupid boy! Not enough coffee yet!

A rudder on the bottom would be no worse than additional/bigger keels on sailing boats or extra bits on record breaking type boats.

Or what about using a jet drive? Edit: I see you've already thought of that – sounds ideal to me.

Chris

 

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[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

I have spent an hour sketching things out, and when drawing, it became apparent how the drive could be fitted, but still the rudder issue remains. The driving water needs to exit from the cylinder, and a rudder sat in there would be good….BUT…the cylinder (hopefully) will rotate so putting something in a tube approx 60-80mm diameter (dims undecided yet) would be a challenge.

An underwater rudder would appear to be the way to go, perhaps in clear acrylic to look better when out of the water…..hmmm…but I have had an idea for a display stand to hide any extra gubbins.

off to EBay to peruse water jets….

Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

…..ordered….! Brushless 540 size so will have some oomph. Not sure yet what to aim for. High on the water speed or slower but slightly submerging performance. Don`t want to try for a sub per se. In any case the access underneath the cabin will need sealing by the usual horrid acrylic lid/greasy felt gasket and loads of screws.

Youi tube has two …craft…..on the water, on one you can see a rudder below and sticking rearwards , of the tube. The way to go. Made from clear acrylic, it would be reasonably invisible.

Ashley

[Richard BarnettParticipant @richardbarnett67129]

Thunderbird 4 would be interesting, but then trying to make a shoebox with a JCB shovel attached act like a submarine would be a tall order! One for Trevor?😂

Sounds like your getting on top of it Ashley, look forward to the preview 👍

Ricky ye pirate 🏴‍☠️

[Trevor HollowayParticipant @trevorholloway99134]

It has been on the "to do" list although not high up.

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Preview a LONG way away.

I WAS going to make a cardboard prototype for the Tup, but never did, however I think I will have to do one for this, as there are a few ….issues with using flat surfaces.

Ashley

[raymond broadfieldParticipant @raymondbroadfield80452]

Thanks for info Ashley ,shame but no choice ,I used to use Kingsmere pond Wimbledon Common years back but last time I saw that it had dried up a great deal and weeded so that's outm

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

may see a preview drawing. Need some input. The twirly cylinder is at odds with the water issuing from it mainly in the `holding the cylinder but allowing it to rotate and not having the supports interrupting the water flow ` which O can`t see as being feasable at the moment.

I would like to get rid of the rudder idea as well, and I have a method for this, depending on what the waterjet unit looks like when it arrives.

Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Just looked at the new corona rules and I do not see that boating falls within these rules.

Although it says you can meet one other person not from your household, it should only be for exercise and not socialising. Unfortunately standing at a jetty with several others even at a 2m distance cannot be construed as exercise, and can only be seen as socialising.

Unfortunately people will gather to look at the boats and all of a sudden you have a crowd and the instant attention of the fun police.

If I had a rubber band boat still I suppose all that running about from bank-side to bank-side might be construed as exercise, but unfortunately they have been broken up.

I see no alternative but to indulge in extra workshop time, fines being what they are…..

Ashley

[Trevor HollowayParticipant @trevorholloway99134]

Section 6 : Exceptions

2 (d) "open air recreation" is allowed, I interpret that to include fishing, sun bathing or operating remote controlled cars, boats or planes.

(iii) allows two to gather, if another stranger wanders up in a public park that is just a co-incidence (as long as it has not been organised).

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Fishing and angling are specifically permitted and both entail standing at a waterside with the appropriate equipment in hand hoping to control events on and under the water. Sounds very much like model boating to me…

Colin

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Okay…I would agree with that. Game on then….

Its nice to know these things if you are challenged.

Ashley

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi All,

Really rather surprised that during a lock down period you would need so desperately to float model boats ??

Regards Ray (in the workshop)

[Richard BarnettParticipant @richardbarnett67129]

No point building them if you can’t use them? I’ve charged the Tazer in case anyone gets too close ( might do Ashley just for a laugh) 😂

We shall all practise social distancing, the jetty’s big enough not to get close. I can always stand in the pond as I’m salvage man!

Ricky ye pirate 🏴‍☠️ (Rum soaked face mask at the ready!)

[neil hpParticipant @neilhp]

Posted by ashley needham on 07/11/2020 09:21:23:

Just looked at the new corona rules and I do not see that boating falls within these rules.

Although it says you can meet one other person not from your household, it should only be for exercise and not socialising. Unfortunately standing at a jetty with several others even at a 2m distance cannot be construed

as exercise, and can only be seen as socialising.

ahh thats where i have been going wrong then……….not had a boat on the water in over 18 months or more now, and have two boats that are virginal……and was worried in the beautifu weather that we had this spring and early summer whether sailing a model could be classed as exercise………just twiddling the sticks forwards backwards up and down just didn't cut it in my mind

however, when you mentioned your rubber band model and dashing from bank to bank, it set my mind a thinking.

Fleetwood lake is, when walked around the perimeter of the bank, just over 1/2 mile in distance, i have often sailed my boat around the lake, following it at nice walking pace 3 times before the battery starts to fade, and boat starts to run slowly.

when doing that i have walked over 1.5 miles during my nice peaceful sail with no one following or "grouping" around me……………totally on my own………obviously pre covid.

SO!!!!………would this constitute exercise, or socialising…………..after all, it is not much difference from walking my little dog for 1.5 miles around the estate,………..or would it.

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