Prototype build of ELLIE

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Dave

They look like posh drawing pins to me ??

Regards Ray

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Hi Dave

Ray is partially right. They are 20 odd year old drawing pins, absolutely nothing posh about them though. Just easier to push in than T pins and I find they press the ply down.

They are also good when you need to bend the planks or ply while the glue sets.

John

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Thanks, John.

DM

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Todays progress.

Put in the deck supports, not the right terminology but they are in. still need to put in the cross sections to carry the deck width wise at the bow.

The propshafts went in OK but not sure of the best way to support them below the hull. do I bracket or use the timber fillet system?

Made the motor mounts and they seem to be OK. Still mulling over the way to fix them but fibreglass resin is favourite at the moment given the 6mm ply I used for the mount support!!

John

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

How do I add photo's to an album??

Regards

Your thickness!!!

[BanjomanParticipant @banjoman]

John,

It is easy enough, once you know how.

First, you must be logged in. When you are, you'll see a camera icon and a link Albums in the top mnu (the one that becomes active after logging in). Click on this link, which opens your albums.

Under the album you want to add photos to, click on Edit Album, which opens a view of all the photos in the album. In this view, click on Add More Photos.

This opens a dialogue that allows you to browse for and select photos, to a maximum of five at a time. When you've selected the photos you want, click on Upload Photos. Repeat as many times as needed to upload all the photos you want to add, then finally go to the bottom of the photo thumbnail view page and click on Save Changes.

Mattias

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Also don't use photo files that are too large (the way they come out of the camera) as this can cause upload problems. See guidance at the right bottom of this page in the FAQ section. 200kb to 300 kb with a width of 1024 pixels is fine and the images will upload very quickly.

Colin

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello John

In answer to your technical questions.

If you look at drawing 16 you will see a suggested layout for a twin motor setup.

I had intended the motor mounts to be secured by encapsulated bolts as this would allow for fine adjustment when setting up the motor/shaft line (and it is neater) but a blob of glassfibre will certainly hold the mounts in place.

I supported the shafts under the hull with timber fillets, as the fillets would be fully glued into position they would provide the stiffness to eliminate any vibration from the long shaft, however a couple of brackets on each shaft should do the same job.

I hope this helps

Paul

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Thanks guys.

A few more photo's added including one of Broad Wave. The picture was taken last year as we passed Ludham Bridge and it was for sale. We hired it in 1965 and 1966. It had a petrol engine, a 3 ft long gear stick and a small throttle as per those on the older motor mowers. It also had the luxury of curtain instead of a door on the toilet. All mod' cons.

Looking today Paul and I will use the fillets on the shafts.

As I made the mounts from aluminium angle I was able to bend it slightly to get the alignment and then drill the motor mount holes to suit. I hope it is right as it would be a pig to alter.

I may try a hinge arrangement next time that will give the adjustment but then you need slide rails and it all gets very complicated.

John

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Sorry about the picture of Broad Wave being upside down but it will not load the right way up?

Now it seems to have disappeared?

John

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Picture of Broadwave

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hi John

Similar types tied up on Lymm Cruising Club moorings up near my boyhood home, it was this pair of boats that started my fascination with varnished, timber built cabin boats.

Paul

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Hi Paul

That picture seems to show what I suspected and had vague memories of. There is only one strut on each side of the cockpit roof and you had to lift it physically to get it up and down. We had to do this for the bridges at Wroxham, Potter Heigham, Beccles and Thorpe as well as folding the windscreen down. Not great when bucketing down!

J

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

John

Bringing back memories of taking a fixed wheelhouse 1920s wooden cruiser through Preston Brook tunnel, we only had 2in of clearance on each side between the roof and tunnel wall.

Needless to say we pranged it.

Paul

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Paul
Haven't we all at some time. I remember practicing mooring between Coltishall and Wroxham so as to try and not make a total pratt of myself in Wroxham. Just kept bouncing off the grass bank until I learned to slow down!!

J

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

John

We used to pick up a hired Porter & Haylett boat from Wroxham and spend the Saturday night up at Coltishall before we set off on our tour of the Northern Broads, Ranworth was a favourite where I learned to sail a dinghy, I've always been keen to find a drawing of their lovely cruisers which were of timber construction and built in their yard at Wroxham but so far with no luck.

Regards Ray

Edited By Ray Wood 2 on 18/11/2016 17:07:04

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hi Ray

There is a chap who occasionally posts on this forum who owns Broadland Classics and he has a nice range of classic Broads boats. Link

Have a peek at his site and wander down memory lane.

Paul

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Ray

Love the model and the Hoseasons Blue Bird. We were Blakes people.

Porter and Haylet built quite a few klinker hulls which stood out with the overlapping planks. We only went to them in the later days and had three of the connoisseur cruisers and loved the GL2. Our 25th anniversary!

Shame Le Boat came along but time rolls on. All gone now.

J

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Paul

I can say I remember those boats and Martham boatyard hired them out for years. They may still have one or two.

J

[Peter FitnessParticipant @peterfitness34857]

My version of the same type, built back in 2006 from "free" plans, enlarged.

Peter.

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Hi Guys

I bought some dolls house floorboards to do the deck having seen some of your pic's but they are 15mm wide by 1mm.
How the heck do I split them easily.?
Tried several methods but holding the strip under the straight edge is proving impossible!

J

[BanjomanParticipant @banjoman]

John,

The only method of which I am aware (and thus for what my knowledge is worth) that really works for reliably and consistently cutting small planks to a precise and even width is to use a small, table top rip-saw of decent quality, such as the (eminently drool-worthy) one from Byrnes Model Machines (**LINK**), the Proxxon FET (**LINK**) or some other such one.

However, given the ouch! factor of the price tags on these machines, unless you are planning to rip most of your own modelling timber in the future or can otherwise defend the aquisition of one, this is not likely to be a realistic solution to the problem at hand.

The really easy way out would be for you to look up the "timber" sections on e.g. the Cornwall Model Boats (**LINK**) or Model Dockyard (**LINK**) websites, and order the quantity needed of planking already cut to your desired width.

If you neverthless want to have a go at cutting your doll's house floorboards to width without investing in an expensive rip saw, you could try setting up a small jig on a piece of cutting board that would allow you to push the timber to cut up against an edge of some kind that was of the same thickness as the material to be cut, so that the straight edge could be rested perfectly flat on top of the two together. The jig will also need a further, raised edge at the back, perfectly parallell with the edge against which you just put the timber, and at just the distance that when you lay the straight edge against the back edge, and the timber against the front edge of the jig, the amount of timber showing under the straight edge is the desired width (plus maybe a few tenths of a mm for final sanding purposes).

If you then use a really sharp and thin hobby knife or scalpel, and use multiple passes to slowly and carefully cut (not split, as a split is likely to veer off true with any grain in the timber), you might be able to produce deck planks that are sufficiently straight and even to suit your purposes. You might also want to figure out a way to fix your jig to your cutting mat or other work top surface, if in no other way then at least by taping it down with some masking tape.

For small quantities and with a reasonable amount of care and patience, this could work, although the quality of the result would also depend of how finely (or coarsely) grained a timber it is you want to cut. Personally, and until I've managed to save up for one of those rip saws (oh, yes — they're very much on my wanted list!), I would probabaly take the easy way out and buy ready-cut timber to fit the dimensions I was looking for. The floorboards will surely come in handy for some other project some other time …

Mattias

[John O’CParticipant @johnoc]

Thank you Mattias.

Just wrecked 2 more strips trying the wifes material cutters and squares so a visit to model dockyard is in order.

My own fault trying to save money but as usual end up wasting it!

Just got told off by the wife for looking at cheap Watt meters as well.

Can't win at the moment.

I will now go and look at the links you included.

Cheers

J

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

John

I've used one of these for years **LINK**

Dave M

[BanjomanParticipant @banjoman]

Dave,

I stand (well, sit, but you know what I mean) corrected! Goes to show what my (lack of) knowledge was worth, then …

In any case, that is very interesting indeed, and I may well get myself one of those …

Mattias

Edited By Banjoman on 28/11/2016 15:06:29

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