Petrol Engines

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Martin

Its a fairly even match until you factor in the recharging of batteries, electricity comes out on top if you recharge from reusable sources.

Paul

[Martin Field 1Participant @martinfield1]

But we don't know if we are using reusables or not with a National Grid. Maybe hydro-electric is the best as there's a lot of manufacture in wind turbines and chemicals in solar. Or tide power?

Damn it I like the noise of petrol! I LOVE the smell of diesel!<G>

Martin

[S MParticipant @sm83187]

Dave, you hit a good point about automotive as this is political and control, basically it is part of the smart meter agenda which has various issues alone, but basically it is little more than data harvesting using electrical devices around your home to monitor what people do.

Only one survey has been done into automotive due to its complexity and the abbreviated highlights are that everything was converted into energy and the conculsion based on actual facts were as follows. Classic cars were the most energy efficient due to their long life and recycling of parts, followed by a traditional 4X4 with its long life and bottom of the polluting list was electric cars as they use so many energy inefficient and highly polluting components such as rare earth motors and unrecyclable battery packs.

In terms of energy efficiency it costs the same energy to build one battery for the most popular electric vehicle as it does to build and run a 5.0L V8 petrol engine for 8.5 years so hardly energy efficient as only three components from the battery can be recycled, and irrespective of recycling technologies improving they will not recycle other components because of cost and economics always wins over environmental. Todays automotive batteries are tomorrows plastics pollution dilema, and Governments know it and will continue towards electric vehicles as commerce and other agendas dictate it.

Electronic control components use sand and how many are aware there is a world shortage of sand? so another source of highly polluting mining, and transportation of sand to consider and of course we have the rare earths which also have to be mined and transported and electronics cannot be recycled due to the economics as the cost of recycling them is horrific and economically unviable so Governments will ignore the problem and continue to allow them to be dumped in third world countries as they currently do.

Paul T – this has already been done and electricity is the loser and backed by very credible sources with very sound evidence.

The energy agenda was recently exposed by Scottish Power when they stated that variable tariffs are to be introduced, basically they need the smart meter to do this and basically they will alter your tariff every 30 minutes and raise your tariff at your times of peak demand so basically your night time cheap rate electricity goes so you cannot plug your electric car in on cheap rate. Everytime you come home, take a shower, cook your dinner, or use higher amounts of electricity then your price goes up. Peak consumption days such as Christmas day and Boxing day will see everyones tariff raised purely for profit.

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Dave

I thought that the experts without expertise had all been weeded out of this little backwater but it looks as though the Wikipedia cherry picking professor is back. I could use my usual 'out of their depth on a damp pavement' but I suspect that this comment would merely pass him by as doth the idle wind.

Instead of getting into protractive and ultimately pointless arguments I shall merely sigh and press the ignore button.

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

S M

Did you used to post on here as DG [S M = Same Man perhaps]? He was an expert in every known technology and all other aspects of human endeavour, too. I pressed the IGNORE button on him a while ago.

BYEE!

DM

[Chris FellowsParticipant @chrisfellows72943]

Every forum has one unfortunately!

Chris

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi All , not in our time zone judging by post times, or maybe our planet

Regards Ray

[S MParticipant @sm83187]

Posted by Dave Milbourn on 06/09/2018 12:58:28:

S M

Did you used to post on here as DG [S M = Same Man perhaps]? He was an expert in every known technology and all other aspects of human endeavour, too. I pressed the IGNORE button on him a while ago.

BYEE!

DM

No, who is DG?

Hardly an expert on everything known to man but for the last decade or so I have been heavily involved with new and emerging technologies relating to power and its usage and can potentially throw some light on some issues, then people can do some research and form their own conclusions.

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